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Some legends are born. Others are built one roundhouse at a time. In this episode, we’re talking about the man who went from world?class fighter to action?movie icon to the internet’s first mythic superhero. International celebrity and tough-guy Chuck Norris didn’t just make movies; he made folklore, and we’re looking back at his life and career.

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Speaker Transcript
Jon Welcome back, Gen X Grown Up Podcast listener to this backtrack edition of the Gen X Grown Up Podcast. I am John. Joining me as always, of course, is my buddy George. Hey, man.
George Hey, how’s it going, everybody?
Jon Good. You know, it would not be a show without Mo. Hey, Mo. How you doing?
Mo Hey, how’s everyone doing?
Jon All right. In this episode, you know, some legends are born. Others are built one roundhouse at a time. In this episode, we’re talking about the man who went from world-class fighter to action movie icon to the Internet’s first mythic superhero. International celebrity and tough guy Chuck Norris didn’t just make movies. He made folklore.
Jon And we’re looking back at his life and career in this backtrack. So… It’s a little bit of a somber occasion. Look, we’re celebrating Chuck Norris on the occasion of his passing. We just lost him March 19th, 2026. And it was a rare occasion. The three of us were sitting around in the same room talking about doing this backtrack. And it occurred to us, we’ve talked about directors and we’ve talked about actors and things like that. But I don’t know that we’ve ever focused on a single individual here.
Jon And Chuck Norris was just, he was like, he was more than just an actor or anything. He was an undeniable icon. of 19 Days Pop Culture.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Like, he was…
Mo Yeah, for sure.
Jon so There’s the jokes, there’s all the things, that his history and movies and TV. We’re going to cover all that. Mo did a tremendous amount of research for us here. and We’re going to get to talking about the life and history and legacy of Chuck Norris and their impact on us and his impact on us as a cinematic and just pop culture icon.
Jon Before we get into that, though, I do have a fourth listener email. So look, the three of us are here. We may listen. If anyone else does and drops us an email about it, you are the fourth listener. The fourth listener for this episode is Brandon G.
Jon And he dropped us a line about, I think it was just the last, Backtrack, Movies of 1986. We did the box office top 10 we did, right, guys?
Mo Yeah, that’s the last one.
Jon Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mo Yep.
Jon So here’s what Brandon had to say. I edited this down just a little bit, but it’s very touching. He says, hey, guys, just finished the Movies in 1986 episode. All the films mentioned certainly deserve recognition, but Platoon,
Jon personally means the most to me. George, you mentioned how meaningful that was to you. For the similar reasons, you’re going to hear from Brandon. He says, Brandon says, my father served in Vietnam from 67 to 69. There have been so many things I’ve wanted to discuss with him, but he’ll only say so much.
Jon Instead, I’ve paid attention over the years to which movies about the war he likes most, because I know those films will be the closest insight I will get to his experience, and Platoon is his absolute favorite.
Mo Hmm. Hmm.
Jon He says, ah he goes on to say, he said there were many people he encountered that mirrored good and evil like Elias and Barnes did. And he said he relates to Charlie Sheen’s character more than any he’s ever seen because he’s portrayed as the most lifelike reflection of a young soldier.
Jon Yeah. Also the film, the film also means a lot to me because the same week I was released, but, but, but. The film also means a lot to me because the same week it was released, a Vietnam veterans monument was unveiled in front of our county courthouse for all the men in our area who served.
Jon My dad helped secure the fundraising for the cost of the 10 foot tall monument, and he dug the foundation for it completely by himself and never wanted or accepted recognition for it.
Mo Wow.
Jon Wow. I can see where this is stacking up for you, Brandon. To this day, I think about Platoon every time I see my dad’s name engraved among those other names on the back of that monument. And likewise, every time I watch Platoon, I think of that monument and how it pays tribute to all who served and also the ones who never came home.
Jon It’s heavy, but yeah, that that movie is, that that’s why it’s such a good film. Yeah.
Mo heavy, yeah.
Jon Yeah. Brandon says, thanks for another awesome episode. And as always, the best of wishes to all three of you and yours, faithful fourth listener, Brandon G.
Mo Wow. wow
Jon Yeah. Yeah. thank Thank you for that, Brandon. Thanks for sharing that, you know, about your dad and the monument everything. like I can see just look, all those movies are meaningful to a lot of people in a lot of ways. This one touches on some nerves for a lot of folks. I know and i’m happy that you you’re willing to share that with us.
Jon Fourth listener, if you would like your email featured here on the show, it is drop dead easy. All you have to do is what Brandon did. Hit us up at podcast at GenXgrownup.com. We’ll read every single one and most of them will eventually make their way. to this show. All right. With that good business in the rearview mirror, it’s time to jump into this backtrack remembering Chuck Norris right after this quick break.
Jon All right. I through that pretty quick.
George So I was going to break in, but you didn’t give any breaths there.
Jon It’s not bad.
George I was going to tell you, we did talk about an individual.
Jon I’m sorry. Yeah, i was i was trying to push. or did we?
George Evel Knievel.
Jon or Who we talking about?
Mo Oh, Yves Knievel!
Jon Evil Knievel.
Mo That’s right, we did.
Jon God dang it, we did.
Mo You’re right, you’re right.
Jon You’re right.
George I didn’t think about it until you said it and then I was like, we did Evel Knievel.
Jon You’re right. That’s right.
Mo so We must have talked about one.
Jon Mm-hmm. You’re absolutely right. We did. Dang it. Yep.
Jon Okay. ah I’m not going to call attention to it. Let’s let a viewer write in and go, what about Evel Knievel? I go, yeah. So we’ll let him go. Unless you want to call me on it.
Jon There’s an angle for you to do it I don’t care.
George No, I don’t. No.
Jon Okay. That’s fine. Yep. All right. All right.
Jon Let’s jump in. Let’s see. ah First segment or second segment, we’re going to call it in five, four, three.
Jon We have dedicated this backtrack. We say the backtrack is about a single nostalgic topic. And Chuck Norris is in and of himself a single, singular, nostalgic topic.
Jon Just I can’t remember a time that he wasn’t. pivotal to something I enjoyed either in my youth or in my adulthood or whatever. And now that he’s on the occasion of his passing, we’re looking back and remembering the impact that he had.
Jon So Mo, as I mentioned earlier, you did a lot of the digging, found a lot of this, a of info and resources. You want to kick it in and talk about
Jon three, two. So I’m going to toss it your way to kind of jump in and get the ball rolling.
Mo Sure. Well, I mean, let’s start at the beginning. He was born, yep, Carlos Ray Norris.
Jon Nope. It’s a good place.
Mo And he was born March 10th, 1940 in Ryan, Oklahoma.
Jon Hmm.
George Perry Kivolowitzs, Jr.:
Mo I thought it was funny because I i always thought his first name was Charles, but it turns out that when he went into the Air Force, some of his Hispanic barracks mates were like, and you know that you know Carlos translates to Charles and the nickname for Charles is Chuck.
Mo And so they just start calling him Chuck. um And they said, basically, it just stuck through his entire life.
George funny
Jon Multiple degrees. Yeah.
Jon Yeah. I, you know, something else you dug up that I had heard about in the past, you know, is that he didn’t have a really easy childhood. He kind of a pretty challenging home environment. His dad struggled to alcoholism.
Jon um He moved to California with his mother. So I guess, you know, their their marriage didn’t quite hold up. at the age of 12. And then later when he grew up, now we have some more of his background, but he actually served in the US Air Force from 1958 to 1962. He was stationed at Osan Air Base in South Korea as a military policeman.
Jon And you know so something I want to mention before I proceed is that one ah one of the pivotal things that people think of when they think of Chuck Norris is obviously the legendary Chuck Norris jokes.
Jon So I just have to warn you guys, I have a lot of them on deck here.
Mo Oh, God. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Jon And I’m going to interject them on occasion. And I invite you to give me a rating from from one to ten. How good is the Chuck Norris joke?
Mo okay
Jon So I’ll just give you one to get started. By the way, the list was called. These are the only Chuck Norris jokes Chuck Norris has allowed to exist. So I thought the title was great. ah But you may know that the legendary Chuck Norris doesn’t flush the toilet.
Jon He scares the shit out of it.
Mo terrible
Jon Yeah. Tens. ah Tens. Tens all around. Love it. OK.
George Yeah, that wasn’t the finger I was holding up, but yeah.
Jon oh Oh, I thought that was a 10.
Mo ah
Jon I’m sorry. la misunderstood.
George You know, while he was in Korea during his service there, that’s where he began studying martial arts, which makes sense, obviously. yeah lot There’s a large history of martial arts in Korea.
George I know I’ve studied Hapkido Korean martial art myself, but This gentleman started earning black belts in all kinds of different martial arts, Tang Sudo, Taekwondo, Judo, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which he must have gotten that one later in life because that’s, they’re not going to teach that in South Korea, but I love the fact that he,
Jon Oh, really?
Mo Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Mo yeah
George became a connoisseur of all the martial arts because the truth of the matter is, is we’ve learned over the decades since Chuck Norris was Chuck Norris in the eighties, uh, mixed martial arts is when you blend them all together, they can become more than the sum of their parts.
George And obviously that’s why Chuck Norris was so well-respected and revered, not only because of all the studying he did, but because he became world-class champions in ah karate, holding the middleweight karate championship title for six consecutive years.
George Not like six title bouts or a John Jones, he defends his title four or five times in a you know couple of year period.
Mo That’s insane.
Jon Wow. Yeah.
Mo Yeah.
George No, six consecutive years, this man was the middleweight karate champion.
Mo Wow.
Jon Wow. Now, Mo, you used to, in a previous life, you taught Taekwondo, if I’m remembering correctly.
Mo Yep.
Jon Is that right?
Mo Yes, I did.
Jon And so you have some knowledge. I mean, both you’re a fan of these kinds of movies, but also actual real world knowledge. Is it common for people to to get disciplines in all of those different martial arts?
Jon Or is it more of like you specialize? I don’t have a feel for it. Mm
Mo It takes time. That’s the biggest problem.
George Mm-hmm. Right.
Mo um You know, now it sounds like he just threw himself into it.
Jon hmm.
Mo one hundred Like that was his job, I think was learning martial arts and training. So when you get to that level, then yeah, you can, ah you know, it takes like three, four years to get to a black belt, usually in a particular style.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo And, and if somebody is truly motivated, which it sounds like he was, um you know, I could definitely see why he would get, know,
Jon Right.
Mo into multiple. And the thing that gets you with these different styles that they were, they’re all very different from each other too. um You know, yeah, they’re, they’re not at all similar.
George They, yeah.
Jon I wondered about that.
Mo They’re, they definitely focus on different areas.
Jon Hmm. Hmm.
George Yeah, the thing that gets me is, ah at least in the American systems for martial arts, especially the modern ones, my son, he’s a black belt in Taekwondo from when he was child, but he’s a child black belt.
Jon Oh, okay.
George It’s different than an adult black belt, right?
Jon Oh, right,
George But he still remembers a few of the things, but you would go usually two, maybe three days a week to a class for an hour or so.
Mo Yeah. Mm-hmm.
George And to Mo’s point, after three, I think Michael did it in like two and a half years or something like that became the black belt.
Mo Mm-hmm.
George what I imagine is that this man was in the air force. And while other air force members were going out after their job duties in the evening and getting a little drunk or doing a every night, he just went to a different school and studied a different discipline because he could stagger them, like go to karate on Mondays and Wednesdays and go to Taekwondo on Tuesdays and Thursdays, you know, kind of like we did in college with our courses, but he did that stuff after his work hours while he was in the military, I imagine.
Mo yeah
George And I think Mo’s right on point that he had to dedicate himself a crazy amount, an insane amount, but that’s why there’s only one Chuck Norris.
Mo Yeah.
Mo Yeah.
George That’s why there’s not 2,700 other people because he did the thing nobody else would do.
Jon Right? Yeah.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon Yeah. Yeah. And I know you you said the word that caught my ear and I know discipline is also like the name, the branch of martial arts in there, but discipline, the other meaning for it, that’s something that clearly this guy had to to apply himself repeatedly and repeatedly to all these things.
Mo Oh, yeah.
George Mm-hmm.
Jon And he didn’t know how it was going to pay off. you know I wonder if it had to do with maybe he didn’t have the right kind of discipline in his home because we know about his father. Maybe he was compensating for something, you know finding structure. I know a lot of people find structure in martial arts and something maybe they’re lacking elsewhere.
Jon But he he didn’t just do it a little bit. And that’s that’s the whole point of… like the jokes and everything about Chuck Norris. That’s the whole point. He didn’t do things halfway. He went above and beyond and had the discipline and the commitment to these things.
Mo Yeah.
Jon It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s really staggering. And it’s, it’s really no surprise, I guess, that he became so iconic.
Jon Okay. Nothing else there. I’ll finish with one more joke. So the next, what’s the next seven going to be about? Okay. Okay. okay Now, I know in the next segment, we’re going to focus a little more on his martial arts accomplishments and the things that he did. But I can’t let you out of the segment without one more Chuck Norris joke. So ah I’m going to choose. ah There is no theory of evolution.
Jon Just a list of animals Chuck Norris has allowed to live. Yeah. OK, I got a chuckle out of Moe. I get nothing from George. I’m going to get you before the end of the show.
George I, I, as soon as you said you were going to tell a joke, I just tuned out because you keep telling them and they’re not funny.
Jon I’m going to get you.
Mo ah
Jon I disagree. That’s okay. We’ll be back right after this quick break.
Jon as we continue to talk about the legacy, and i don’t say legacy because that’s called lint later, three, two, as we continue to talk about Chuck Norris and his impact on a Generation Xers, you know, he parlayed some of that work in the martial arts, as we said, into entertainment. And I know there’s a lot of of films and appearances that we want to talk about. First, I want to start with another dumb Chuck Norris joke.
Jon And that is, you listen to George, get ready.
George Mm.
Jon When Chuck Norris was in middle school, his English teacher assigned an essay, What is Courage?
George Yeah.
Jon He received an A plus for turning in a blank page with his name at the top.
Jon yeah Okay, nothing. Anyway, so Mo, why don’t you tell us, get us started talking a little bit about his move into entertainment.
Mo Yeah.
Mo I think we mentioned before, Chuck Norris, he started teaching martial arts to a whole bunch of celebrities in Hollywood.
George Mm.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo you know And one of the people he taught was actually Steve McQueen, if you can believe it.
Jon Right.
George Yeah.
Mo and and so And Steve McQueen the one that kind of talked him into like getting into acting.
Jon Sure. Yeah.
Mo And so that’s when he kind of started to try to do that whole separate career path, I guess, to start looking at his ass a way of doing it. And he got a bunch of bit parts. And he’s, again, like everything else, I think he just threw himself into it 100%.
Jon Yeah. you knows It’s almost like you wonder if that’s the dream. Some people, some people get into, oh I want to get a job just sweeping up on a movie set. And maybe I’ll parlay that into a career in movies. I don’t get the feeling that that was his intent.
Jon He was a martial arts instructor. And I, from what I have heard in things that somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve heard he was just simply recognized.
Mo Mm-hmm.
Jon He wasn’t looking for a job in entertainment. He, they saw, Oh, this guy is good. He’s got some presence. Yeah. And he he earned his he earned his chops in a way that, look, I’m genuinely the guy you’re going to cast me to play. And it was a natural fit.
George Well, I mean, the biggest part of that is probably the one that most everybody knows of the Chuck Norris history of getting into films. And that’s where Bruce Lee personally invited him to play Colt in The Way of the Dragon, which I know that’s the official title.
Jon That’s right.
George I knew it as Return of the Dragon because that’s how it was released on VHS 1972.
Mo Turn of the Dragon. Yeah.
Jon hmm. Turn the dragon. Yep.
George They were trying to capitalize on Enter the Dragon, obviously. But that Coliseum fight was one of the most iconic martial arts scenes ever filmed.
Mo Oh, great.
Jon Oh.
Mo well
Jon Different genre of fighting.
George probably right next to the fight scene from they live.
Jon Yeah, great. Mm-hmm.
George I consider those one, two.
Mo That’s a good one.
Jon ah different genre of fighting
George I really, ah love both of those, but yeah, different, you know, but still, I mean, I think, um, I, I think the Bruce Lee and, uh, Chuck Norris fight is one that certainly was very, like it left a lasting impression on me from that point forward.
Mo That is a good one. Oh, okay. We got a future.
Jon yeah great
Mo we We got future podcast.
Mo Mm-hmm.
George Cause I think I probably saw that in like, the mid early eighties VHS Renaissance. Cause obviously 72, you know, i was one years old.
Jon Mm-hmm. Sure.
George They weren’t taking me to that film, but I really enjoyed that fight scene.
Jon Yeah.
George I’ve go back and sometimes I’ll just watch that fight scene from the movie.
Jon Just the fight.
George The rest movie is okay.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George It’s not horrible.
Jon Yep.
George It’s not great, but that fight scene is iconic.
Mo Oh, yeah. I mean, I saw that back in the theater, um but not but it was like in these like dollar theaters that we had in our neighborhood that played like a bunch of movies at once.
George Hmm. Yeah.
Mo and they had like a Bruce Lee festival where they had every one of his movies.
George Oh, yeah.
Mo And I could tell you, though,
Jon Oh, and Moe was like a pig in shit.
Mo Oh, my God, that’s where I fell of it.
Jon That kind of festival. I can only imagine. Yeah.
Mo And I mean, I didn’t really i mean I guess I probably didn’t understand like the full how good it was because he had two top tier martial arts people, cor you know, doing a fight scene.
George Absolutely.
Mo And me tell you the part where in that fight, George will totally know this part when Bruce Lee, like he’s kind of losing at the beginning and then he starts like skipping, like he starts like hopping on his feet, get light in his feet.
George Mm-hmm.
Mo Everyone in the theater went freaking nuts.
George Yep.
Mo He was like, oh, he’s gonna kick his ass and he did. ah
Jon He’s getting ready.
Mo He’s getting ready.
George You know, ah one of those behind the scenes kind of things that’s been talked about in a couple of different interviews and articles over the years, when Norris and Bruce Lee were choreographing that scene together,
Mo hmm.
George there was apparently a little bit of an argument because Norse didn’t want to lose to Lee, even though it was what the character needed to do in the scene for the movie. He was like, you can’t beat me in a fight. I don’t think we should.
George So it was kind of that thing that you see, you know, he put so much effort into his training over all those years that
Jon Right. Yeah.
George he comes up against Bruce Lee in Bruce Lee’s chosen genre of martial art films. And he’s like, fuck you. You’re not going to beat me in this scene. I don’t give a shit. I’m Chuck Norris.
George He was already Chuck Norris right there.
Jon No, no, Chuck. This is a movie, right?
Mo Yeah.
Jon He’s liking up like, nobody beats me. right
Mo And you know, he went on that his first ah debut was in a movie called The Wrecking Crew, which came out in 60, which I never heard of before. But his breakout was a movie called Breaker. So you can break out his movie was called Breaker Breaker, which came out in 1977.
Mo um And it turns out that he actually turned down a whole bunch of roles before that because they were trying to get him to do martial arts movies purely.
Jon Oh, the trucker movie?
Jon Huh.
Mo Like they want him to do the like, you know, and I totally understand why, but he wanted to do things with more story and actually be an actor, you know, not be martial artist who happens to be in a movie.
Jon Hmm. Hmm.
George Yeah.
Jon Huh. Yeah.
George Yeah, I mean, he he did a lot of work in the 70s and early to mid 80s.
Jon Right.
George Had martial arts driven films like A Force of One, 79, Octagon in 1980, Eye for an Eye in 81, Delta Force movies starting in 85, Missing in Action.
Jon Talk about earning it. Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Oh,
George the series He just did all these different series, one after another, to where I kind of feel like, and maybe I’m wrong in this, as I went back and looked at all the stuff he’s done, he was an action star before Stallone and Schwarzenegger were because their stuff didn’t really hit into the middle eighties.
Mo oh yeah
Jon yeah
George And he was doing this from 72 all the way through the seventies. So I kind of feel like he was the action star before the action star thing was a thing.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Hmm. Yeah, I think that’s fair. Yeah. It’s before you even had that category, right? It was just actors.
George Right. Right.
Jon And you’re like, oh, OK.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Is this a thing now? Hmm. Yeah. I don’t know if you knew this, but when Chuck Norris does a push up, he’s not lifting himself. He’s pushing the earth down. Little known fact.
George Oh, Lord.
Jon You might be might be aware of it. Like, I got a reaction. Oh, Lord, that’s something.
George I mean, it’s it’s better when you don’t preamble it with, I’m going to tell a Chuck Norris joke, at least.
Jon Yeah.
Jon yeah
Mo You just got to drop it on him surprise him.
Jon Right.
Mo You know?
Jon Right. That’s, yeah. Well, that’s, of course. Yeah. That’s called the element of surprise. Yeah. In fact, Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table because Chuck Norris only recognizes the element of surprise.
Mo she she
George a
Jon It’s a twofer for you there. No, I’ll tell you what.
George ah Too far.
Jon Oh, no, you’re not there yet. We’re getting too far. Stay tuned. So I most recognize i wasn’t watching the martial arts films a lot like you and Mo were. Right. But so when I was working in television, I worked at a CBS affiliate.
Jon And so I was often exposed to his series on CBS Walker, Texas Ranger.
Mo Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jon Now, not if you know this, but ah George has a connection to Babylon 5. That was produced by J. Michael Straczynski, who’s the creator and writer of Babylon 5.
George Oh really?
Jon Yeah, he was he he didn’t write the show, but he was the he was the producer. He was the one that set it up. And so so this is a series that… so It’s weird. my My familiarity with the series is, first, he was cast in this role because, again, he’s Chuck Dan Norris, It’s like, that’s how he started getting parts later. It’s like, oh, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who people know. He recognizes. And he was he was an enforcer, effectively. You know, he was…
Jon Obviously, but from the title, he was a Texas Ranger, which is kind of this legendary status law enforcement officer in Texas in the first place. But now you had check Chuck Norris in the role of one of these guys. And he was he was like the the polishing his star, kind of like always on the side of good kind of Texas Ranger. It’s what you want out of that role. And ah now I was often, because I worked at a CBS affiliate, I would…
Jon I was working in the evenings when the show was on, but it was on at 10 o’clock. And so when you’re sitting there waiting to start the 11 o’clock news every night, I got to see the finale of almost every episode of Walker, Texas Ranger.
George Mm-hmm.
Jon This thing ran for nine seasons, almost 200 episodes started in April of 93.
George e
Jon sorry. i’ sorry Yeah, started in April of 93 and then started up in September as a full series. And look, if a network show runs for nine seasons, it tells you something about that network show. It tells you was it wasn’t. It may have been a gimmick for casting, but the idea was solid. The production was solid.
Jon And Chuck had already gotten a Chuck like he’s my best friend. You know, my buddy Chuck chuck Norris had gotten his ah he had put his time in with films and television by that point. And he had earned his position. It wasn’t an accident. And that that show.
Jon It always left you feeling good, I remember. Because, i again, I watch the end of them most often, so I couldn’t tell you how they were set up but didn’t know how they ended. And it it was a series that I always enjoyed, if not watching from the beginning, watching the end because of his presence. And that’s, you know, he’s Chuck Norris. That’s what he did.
Jon um mean I ran out steam. i don’t know where from there.
Mo That’s how it works.
Jon i was I was trying to steer it but to to do and to a side road, but didn’t get there.
George yeah
Jon ah Okay, so I have a way that we get get out of this. so All right, great. be be beam
Jon Okay.
Jon Now, as we have run through his history in entertainment and film and television, we get back for this next break. We’re going to each champion one piece of media that we most associate with Chuck Norris or that we enjoy the most. Stick around for that.
Jon Good enough. All right. One second. Okay.
Jon Come on. Yeah, my fucking an internet’s slow everywhere.
Jon Open, I said. There it goes.
Jon There it is.
Jon trying to remember exactly the context. It’s been a while since I watched dodgeball. Do you guys remember? It was a vote. They were going down the line of people.
George He’s the judge.
Mo Yeah, he’s one of the judges.
George He’s the judge of the dodgeball tournament that has to allow them to participate in the final match because they, yeah, because they weren’t there in time.
Mo Take a thumbs up.
Jon remember the thumbs up. It was…
George So they have to do an appeal.
Jon Oh, they weren’t late.
Mo hmm.
Jon That’s right. Is it going? Yep. That’s right.
George Yeah, because they didn’t have all enough members at first.
Jon That’s right. Thank you. Yeah. Because the… Yep. Right. We’ve got a pirate on our team? Yeah. Okay.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon Okay. Got it.
George Alan Tudyk.
Jon We’re talking about Chuck Norris in this backtrack, and we were just running through some of his you know some of his original seminal roles that he had in entertainment and media. And, you know, know know that Chuck Norris has been to Mars. That’s where the No Signs of Life there, because he took care of that already when he was there. But in this segment, we’re going to run through, and each champion, one piece of media that, again, we most associate or enjoy that in Chuck Norris’ huge body of work. Why don’ we start with you, Moe?
Mo Yeah. So the movie I probably associate most with him, it was Missing in Action. ah You know, that came out in 84 and it was kind of it was just after Rambo came out.
George yeah
Mo Actually, I think it was a year after Rambo came out. And it turns out it’s actually based on a treatment that James Cameron wrote for Rambo 2.
George Oh, right, yeah.
Mo So, you know, which if you don’t know, the plot is, yeah.
Jon Oh, really?
George Well, that makes sense. Rambo 2 is the missing in action version of that series, yeah.
Mo Of, you know, absolutely. And so he, and basically, you know, Chuck Norris was a person who was in Vietnam War, got captured, escaped, came back to the United States, and was going back to save other POWs that were left there, essentially, is the basic plot behind it, which…
Jon Right. Yep. Oh, yeah.
Mo yeah and you know And one thing I didn’t know until we started doing the research is that one of his brothers actually died in the Vietnam War, which I did not know, which is why he said that movie was, yeah, that’s why he said that movie was very personal to him.
George Oh.
Jon Really?
Mo um And I think that movie was just kind of it really established the type of roles that he that he wanted to do. I guess, you know, he was a very, you know, America gung ho person.
Mo You know, ah he was, you know, he really wanted to make sure that he showed the country in a good light. You know, like none of his movies, he ever showed America as being bad at all. And but it was still like it was an exciting, you know, really movie about somebody trying to do the right thing.
Mo And that’s like really what think what it comes down to. He’s like this guy who’s just trying to do the right thing who happens to be able to kick ass along the way. So, so yeah.
Jon Yeah, he could.
Mo So that’s movie I kind of most think of when I think of Trek Norris. How about you, George?
Jon Yeah.
George I mean, you know, missing in action is certainly top of the list because he did multiples of those films. I think there were three, maybe four, something like that.
Mo Yeah.
Jon At least three. Yeah. Yeah.
Mo Yeah, so he’s three.
Jon remember three.
George Um, But the other series that he also did three of was the Delta Force. And so I associate that with him a lot because I remember renting those at the video store.
Mo Hmm.
Jon All right.
George This first one came out in 1985 and it was called the Delta Force, not Delta Force. Like I think they should have done Facebook and just dropped the the would have been cleaner.
Jon Just drop it.
George But yeah,
Mo ah
George um This ah movie centers around hostage taking. We had just gone through the hostages in Iran at that point, you know, with the whole 1980 stuff.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yeah.
George So this movie was kind of born out of that American patriotism, nostalgia, hysteria around the airplane hijackings that were all going along at that time. Chuck Norris is one of the members of the Delta force.
George His commander is played by leave Marvin in that movie. And this was his last film role.
Mo Really?
George So yeah, yeah.
Jon Was it?
Mo Wow.
George he just died a couple of years after that. But then there were a lot of other people that you would not expect to be in this movie that were scattered around. And I noticed some of them because I rewatched this movie in anticipation of talking about it in the podcast, but, uh,
Jon Huh, I know that.
George Some of the people just completely threw me off. John Kim Delaney is in this film. She plays one of the nuns that’s with ah George Kennedy.
Jon The first one? Oh.
George He’s the preacher or the priest on the plane.
Jon I never would have called that. Yeah.
George So Kim Delaney is in there. Also the head bad guy, the Palestinian hijacker, of the head guy is played by Robert Forrester of all people.
Mo What?
George Yeah.
Jon Oh, yeah.
George Yeah. Full Palestinian makeup and mustache and the whole nine yards speaking fluent in that language.
Jon Really. It hit him.
George I mean, just brilliant.
Jon Hmm.
George I mean, they did captions in the movie, which was unheard of in the eighties. You know, they didn’t like to do captions in movies at that point.
Jon Yeah. yep Too foreign.
George Um, one of the, right.
Mo You have to read?
Jon Americans are stupid.
Mo you have to read
George one of the ah One of the biggest names that had a bit part in this movie is Liam Neeson. He was one of the Delta Force team members, guess.
Mo Was he?
Jon Was he?
George I searched and searched for him in all the shots, and I could not pick him out of that crowd. Because the Delta Force, it’s unlike the Navy SEALs movies where it’s like eight guys or something like that.
Mo Yeah, it’s a big
George The Delta Force is like 20, 30 guys going in to do it.
Jon Like a whole squadron. Yeah.
George Yeah, it’s a whole group of people, and they break up into teams and whatnot. I always remembered this series because in these movies, and they did it in at least two of the films that I remember specifically, they had motorcycles with them and the motorcycles had rockets that they would shoot off of.
George him And as a young kid, that was cool as hell to me that they had these rockets and he would shoot and blow up the bad guys with them and everything.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo ah
Jon Yeah, I remember that.
George And they did all kinds of impossible things and stuff. Also, we had some other people, like I mentioned, George Kennedy, Shelley Winters is in this movie as well.
Mo Wow.
George as one of the passengers. Robert Vaughn is the general giving them all directions from the White House.
Jon Oh,
George You just have a lot of people. Steve James, who was a notable action sidekick guy in the 80s. But then I thought it was really nice that Norris was getting some pull in Hollywood at this point, and he got his son, Eric Norris, a role in the movie.
George So…
Jon is that right? Good for him.
George Yeah, just really great cast. Not a great movie. Not, it doesn’t hold up at all.
Jon It was fun.
Mo Oh.
George it’s It’s swimming in American patriotism.
Jon um was all right. Mm-hmm.
George They even did the dumbest thing in the movie. And I guess Norris probably called for this because real military people would scream at it. When they’re getting ready to start the mission, they put their American flag patches on their uniforms.
George The whole point of those things being Velcro is to take them off so when you’re going into a mission, they don’t target you as an American.
Jon at that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
George But…
Jon Right. I’m not hiding my patriotism. Put it on my chest.
George No, no, no.
Jon Make it a target.
George He was not hiding anything.
Jon but
George So… I mean…
Mo Yeah.
George If you go into watching it now, and it’s free on YouTube, by the way. That’s how i just was like coming across.
Jon Is it? Okay. Okay.
George I’m like, oh, it’s free on YouTube. I won’t have to grab it from the public domain. If you go to watch it, just go in with a set of expectations that this was 1985 American patriotism at its highest.
Jon Sure. Hmm. Yeah. yes That’s a solid choice to clear. I get it.
George John, did you watch a single Chuck Norris movie before we decided to record this podcast?
Jon Yeah. ah
George Are you going to wimp out here and not pick one?
Jon Well, I certainly have watched Chuck Norris films before recording this podcast, but not recently before recording this podcast. Like I remember missing in action Delta force, man. I watched a lot of his stuff on HBO.
Jon A lot of his films would make their way through HBO.
George Sure. Yeah.
Mo Yeah. sure.
Jon Uh, but none of his films are my favorite films. Like I recognize the man and his, and how iconic he is to 80s pop culture, but his films weren’t the favorite for me.
Mo no sure
Jon So it’s going to feel like a kind of a cop-out and it’s a role that he had in 2004 and he didn’t have a single speaking line and maybe five seconds of screen presence, but it’s representative of who Chuck Norris is.
Jon And that was dodgeball. So he had, He had a silly little cameo in Dodgeball. actually called Dodgeball, a true underdog story. And the whole idea is that he is.
Jon So the it’s called Average Joe’s, the the underdog team.
Mo yeah
Jon They weren’t all there on time. And they and and Ben Stiller playing White Goodman is like, oh, wait they can’t even play. they have to forfeit or all this. And so they’re going to ask the judges, well, let’s let’s put it to a vote and find out.
Jon Right. And they do this pan across to the judges. And they get to Chuck Norris. You don’t see him in before then. He appears there and he’s the deciding vote and he gives the big Chuck Norris thumbs up, basically bullying White Goodman into into allowing it to go on because you’re not going to argue with Chuck Norris.
Mo yeah
Mo she
Jon And ends up changing the whole tournament’s fate.
George Yeah. So I love Dodgeball, an underdog story.
Jon Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mo Yeah.
George It’s one of my favorite films. Love it. It’s great. Just a note. He does actually have a line of dialogue.
Jon Did he say something?
George It’s kind of, yeah, he does.
Jon What’d
George It’s a little subtle because the crowd is cheering after he gives his vote and everything.
Jon he say?
George But ah Peter, the Vince Vaughn character says, you know, does the thank you Chuck Norris.
Jon Oh, okay. Oh, calls out to Peter. That’s right.
George And he goes, thank you, Peter.
Jon Thank you, Peter.
George And yeah, or yeah.
Mo yeah
Jon That’s right. I forgot he did have a line. That’s right.
George So it’s, It’s just, it’s a, because that movie does that in a couple of different scenes. There’s the whole Lance Armstrong thing with him at the airport.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George William Shatner is the chancellor of the dodgeball tournament, but Chuck Norris’s role in this lives higher than any of those other guest appearances in that film for a reason.
Jon Yep.
George It’s Chuck Norris. He is incapable of giving a thumbs down. And so when it comes to his vote, he can only vote thumbs up and,
Jon ah the Thumbs up.
Mo yeah
Jon Yeah.
George White Goodman is like, oh, that’s pure poppycock.
Jon ah
George That’s right.
Mo Does it at the end does he say fucking Chuck Norris? Yeah.
Jon Oh yeah, exactly.
George Yeah. right That’s, that’s the credit scene.
Jon Yeah. It’s his fault.
George He’s eating a bunch of fried chicken and he’s all in his fat suit and everything.
Jon He’s eating the ice cream and getting fat.
Mo That’s right.
Jon Yeah. Right.
George Yeah. yeah
Jon Ben Stiller absolutely,
George I won that tournament. Fucking Chuck Norris.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Ben Stiller was adamant about getting Norris specifically. And that’s why I call this out as, you know, how important he was to be the deciding vote in in the, in the, the vote to let them play.
George Hmm.
Jon So Chuck Norris was three hours away from where they were filming that day. And he was just a one day shoot, obviously for everything he had to do, but he was like, Oh, waffle or whatever. Ben Stiller arranged for a helicopter to fly to his location, pick him up and fly him to the set.
Mo just for that one scene.
George me Yep.
Jon And then, of course, yeah, just for that one scene, he’s like, whatever it takes, I need you here.
George Yep.
Jon And you said that all the cameos and stuff with it’s everybody being who they are. You know, and at the time before Lance Armstrong’s you know doping stuff, he was the guy who pushed through the testicular cancer.
Jon And fine, if you want to give up, everybody was kind of being who they were in pop culture in this role. And when when he was there, kind of leans into that. ah the Chuck Norris facts, jokes, things that I’ve been going through. Cause he’s both revered and feared by the crowd.
Jon And he’s the one that could turn it all around. And he did. so you know, I just think it just, is that there’s the look on his face. He just gives that kind of like snarky.
Jon It’s not even snarky. what would you say?
Mo no
Jon It’s confident. This is my ruling. And he knew he was in charge. Thumbs up. He’s like, yep, we’re going to make it happen. He did. So that’s why I picked dodgeball. Not because it’s his best role. But because, a it’s the one I know best, but also it’s the one that it represents why we’re doing a Backtrack episode about him. Because he’s not just a martial arts expert. He’s not just an actor.
Jon He’s not just a trainer. He’s bigger than all that. And that’s why that’s why so i think his loss was felt so so much by so many people. It’s too bad. Okay, when we get back, we’re going to talk a little bit more about Chuck Norris’ legacy, including the fact that the flu actually has to get a Chuck Norris shot every year.
Jon i don’t know if you knew that or not, but it’s it’s true.
George Oh, Jesus.
Jon It’s true. All right, I’ll let that go. That’s good. That’s great. ah well I don’t mean I’m editing it out.
George One can only hope.
Jon I just mean that’s a good ending. okay Okay. Okay. So I think I can just use dodgeball as the, you know, to re iterate what I just said sort of thing.
Mo Yeah.
Jon And then we can go through. Or so I’ll obviously intro and pick, talk about dodgeball a little.
Mo Yeah.
George Anybody going to pick stuff or we just going through?
Mo Yeah.
Jon if If you can, we we know who’s leading it in. um um I can use this, the enduring legend. I can use that as the wrap up. I think at the end, I can grab that.
Mo Yeah, that makes sense.
Jon Let’s see.
Jon do you think? Mo, you want to grab the martial arts one since you’re and a more martial arts guy down there?
Mo Yep.
Jon um And then I can talk about that. I didn’t know all this stuff. All the rainbows, martial arts, fitness, philosophy, Christian fiction, and self. Really? I didn’t know all that. Okay. Okay.
Jon At the end of the last segment, I was just kind of half jokingly had selected Dodgeball as you know the piece of media that I wanted to champion.
Mo Mm-hmm.
Jon But it’s it isn’t really a joke. The whole point that I was trying to make was his role in that represented Dodgeball. It was representative of the legacy that he has had in all of pop culture, not just in the seventies and eighties and the nineties, but all the way through until he passed away and we lost him.
Jon That’s why he was that cameo. That why he was the was only one that Ben Stiller wanted to be the one that cast that deciding vote. And that’s the legacy that he has. And that’s, that’s only the tip of the iceberg for the enduring legacy that he has had and why he continued up until his death to be cast in amazing roles.
Mo Yeah. It’s funny how you said that, you know, he was picked for dodgeball because of what he represents, you know, like he’s like, yeah, you know, um, his, my probably favorite cameo of his is was an expendables too.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Cause you know, I mean the expendable series was just, you know, eighties action people just thrown together, you know, just make a ridiculous movie that I enjoyed thoroughly.
George Yeah.
Jon Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
Mo Um, but yeah,
Jon Yes. Silly.
Mo But how like, ah you know, all these people come in, like all, you know you know, Stallone and everybody. um And then Chuck Norris comes in, like just for a short bit.
Jon Hmm.
Mo The best part, he does a Chuck Norris joke.
George yeah
Mo On top of that, too, you know, but the thing was, is like when he came in, though, he’s he’s he was the focus of the scene.
Jon That’s right.
Mo I mean, he all these megastars around him and somehow he was able to just draw everything right to him for that one line that he did.
Jon Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mo That was this crack me up.
George If I remember right, wasn’t he in that scene with Schwarzenegger and Stallone and he was kind of in the middle between the two of them?
Mo I think he was. Yeah.
Jon Because there were it at odds in Expendables 2.
George Yeah.
Jon Right.
George Right.
Jon I think you’re right.
George And so i I always like how Chuck Norris, that he comes into that scene, what I remembered of it was just, I always had the impression that you you get the feeling that he, he’s like looking at the young whippersnappers of Stallone and Schwarzenegger going like, I was doing this shit long before you people were here.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo yeah
Jon Mm-hmm. Yeah.
George ah
Jon Yep. Yeah. You know, and for a guy who… Wait. was going to turn around the show. Okay. And for a guy who can strangle you to death with a cordless phone, he had a lot of other things that he did that I was surprised. See, I got a little chuckled at him. I didn’t realize, do you know, in addition to his other media that we already talked about, he was a best-selling author.
Jon I didn’t realize that.
George Mm-hmm.
Jon He wrote books on martial arts, makes sense, fitness, philosophy, even Christian fiction and self-help. And for a guy that arguably had the…
Mo Yeah.
Jon determination, the discipline that we talked about earlier to do the things that he did. If anybody can has the credentials to write a self-help book, it Chuck Norris is on that list.
Mo Yeah. Matter of fact, i I used to have one of his books back when i was teaching when I was teaching, um he wrote a book on how how do you prepare and conduct stuff at competitions like how to get like
Jon Did you? Okay.
George Oh yeah, makes sense.
Mo um And it was actually, it was a really amazing book is the experience he had at going into competitions and, you know, and strategies.
Jon Oh, sure.
Mo And mean, it was, it was really depth and interesting book.
Jon Hmm. Wow. Okay.
Jon Get into the next one.
George All right.
Jon You need me to get you there?
George Okay.
Jon Okay.
George I’ll jump in there.
Jon All right.
George I was expecting a little bit different. right.
Jon Okay.
George I think for me, the most interesting part of his legacy that kind of sinks in with me is the late night infomercials for the total gym that he was the spokesman for.
Mo Oh yes.
George i just remember every time I would see one of those things, I’d go, damn, I need a total gym. I need a total gym because look at what it did for Chuck Norris.
Jon oh
George He’s old and it’s still, he’s awesome. And he, i you know, what, how old was he at that point? Not as old as he was, you know, when he passed away, obviously, but still, to me being young and everything.
George I was like, I need to told Jim he could, he could just sell it just by being Chuck Norris. There was no, he didn’t need to do anything else.
Jon Right.
Mo Yeah.
George No hype, no anything. Just here’s all the stuff you can do with this thing. And look at my body weight being pulled on these pulleys and blah, blah, blah.
Mo Yeah.
George And you know, hair all over my chest and big muscles. And I’m Chuck Norris. And there you go. One 99 95, but for you one payment less or whatever.
Mo yeah
Jon And he’s, he had a reputation that, you like, if you think about it rationally, the total gym is not what he used to get the physique that he had or his own training or anything.
Mo Oh, no, no.
Jon He’s endorsing this thing.
Mo Yeah.
Jon But because he’s… He’s just him. don’t know how many times we can say it or you know put the the feeling across. His reputation was such that, like well, he’s not going to lead me astray.
Jon you know He’s not going to tell me something that ain’t ain’t so.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon And that’s, of course, what are looking for when they look for celebrity endorsements. But that’s one that was a perfect fit. Because it’s like, do you want to be the kind of unmitigated badass that Chuck Norris is? We need to have this in your guest room then. Go pick one of these up. And it sounded like it worked on George to some extent. so Did you ever get one, George? I guess not, man.
George Nope, never did.
Jon No, okay.
Mo who’ Who is he to those with?
Jon Okay.
Mo Who’s this?
George There was a couple of different female leads, but they were not like famous celebrities.
Mo Okay.
Jon Celebrities. Yeah.
Mo Gotcha.
George Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Oh, sorry.
Jon Yeah, you’re good. You’re good.
Mo Yeah. So, i mean, we’ve talked about this part of his legacy quite a bit, but really, he he made martial arts… he gave it credibility in the United States, essentially.
Mo Like he was in America. I mean, Bruce Lee did a lot for it as well, but you know, Chuck Norris was an American person who was basically doing this martial arts.
Jon Hmm.
Mo It was basically making it cool in a sense, you know? So many schools opened up because of him. So many, you know, he actually opened his own line of schools as well. I know that he did a lot of work.
Mo it was helping kids get into karate and he actually didn’t care so much about the style they learned. It was just the idea of getting into some form of martial arts was just good for children in general, which I totally agree with.
Jon Mm-hmm. ah shit I had a thought. I lost it. What are you talking about? Sorry.
Mo Martial arts credibility.
Jon yeah Oh, how they made it he made it cool. Yeah, yeah got it. Three, two, sorry. Because, of course, we had you know all the Kung Fu films Mark Scherlitz. course, we had all the Kung Fu films, all the martial arts movies, but they would come from…
Jon They were foreign films sometimes. They were dubbed sometimes. And this is…
Mo Yeah.
Jon We’re talking about him in Delta Force. He was the all-American dude, and here he is with those things. And you’re right, Mo. It just… what’d you say legitimized it or brought it mainstream? You know, it really, here’s the guy that like super all American dude who cannot be defeated.
Jon He uses martial arts. It must be good enough for me if it’s good enough for him. So he was probably one of the best advocates for martial arts in the U S that anyone could ever have asked for. Yeah.
Mo absolutely. Absolutely.
Jon It’s, i mean, for that reason, and so many more, it’s, it’s no surprise that he became one of the earliest and most enduring athletes. pop culture icons, internet legends, recognizable celebrities.
Jon In Dodgeball, like he said, all he had to do was be there on screen for a second, and you knew all the baggage that came with him, the positive baggage, right? Who he is, what he represents. That’s what cameos are for, and they do it so well.
Jon And for a guy that is the reason that Waldo is hiding in those books, it’s just outstanding that he… has so No, no, not even…
George Can we please be done with this shit? Good Lord.
Jon That was the last, that might be the last one. I might have one more. I’m not sure. but
George You go through all those and you don’t give us the rattlesnake joke?
Jon Sorry.
George The most famous Chuck Norris joke of all time?
Jon Get ready, Mo. George is go to tell us one. Go ahead, George.
Mo Okay, go do it. Do it.
George Well, now I’ve ruined it, though. ever it
Jon You got to do it.
George Okay, fine.
Jon Just do it.
George Chuck Norris was in a fight with a rattlesnake and the rattlesnake bit him. And after four days of intense pain, the rattlesnake died. There you go.
Jon There you go. Right. Right. That that’s definitely better than Chuck Norris narrates Morgan Freeman’s life.
Mo That’s all right.
Jon I like yours way better than mine.
George oh
Mo Well, did you hear that death had a near Chuck Norris experience?
Jon I’d heard that.
George Oh, wow.
Jon Yes, I had heard that.
Mo Yeah.
George Okay. I’m walking away from this podcast.
Jon hey Before George leaves, let’s wind this one up. Look, we just lost the man, Chuck Norris. He has a great legacy with ah pop culture for all Gen Xers and generations beyond, of course. So just want to take a moment to remember him and, and you know, a few groaners along the way. Always good for a little levity. Before I leave you, I do want to recognize a couple of brand new patrons that we just got over at patreon.com slash Gen X grown up.
Jon want to recognize Andrew B and Paul don’t have a last initial. So I’m just going to go, Paul, Paul, you know who you are. Look, and I want to, i don’t always mention the dollar amounts, but these two guys came in at that $5 level. And I mentioned that because even if you’re already a patron, you may not know that we just recently added a brand new perk at the $5 level and above.
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Jon That is going to wrap it up. Do have one more joke? Let me see. Nope, nope. George is leaving. That is going to wrap it up for this backtrack edition of the Gen X Grown Up podcast. Don’t worry. Another one coming your way in a couple of weeks. Next week is the standard edition of our show. Until then, I’m John. George, thank you so much for enduring this.
George yes sir
Jon Mo, know, appreciate you.
Mo Always fun, man.
Jon Fourth listener, it’s you. We all three appreciate. Most of all, we can’t wait to talk to you again next time. Bye-bye.
George see you guys i’m good
Mo Take care, everybody.
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