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We watch a new film about a prison escapee hiding out in a toy store, one of us finds new & interesting ways to feed his unhealthy obsession with pinball, and play an award-winning social board game where the odd man out has to fake knowledge of a secret word.

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Jon Welcome back, Gen X Grown Up Podcast listener to this episode 202 of the Gen X Grown Up Podcast. I am John. Joining me as always, of course, my buddy Moe. Hey, Moe.
Mo Hey, how’s it going?
Jon It’s not a show without George. Hey, George, how are you?
George Hey, how’s it going, everybody?
Jon In this episode, we watch a new film about a prison e escapee hiding out in a toy store. One of us finds new and interesting ways to feed his unhealthy obsession with pinball. We know that is.
Mo Hmm.
Jon And most most puzzling, that one. And play a an award-winning social board game where the odd man out has to fake knowledge of a secret word.
Mo Yeah, who’s that?
Jon We’re going have those topics and many more coming up in this episode. But first, it is time to recognize a fourth listener like by yeah reading some email. Now, the three of us are here. We’re liable to listen.
Jon But if anyone else does and drops us a line about it, you are the fourth listener. And this time around, that is Matt Ray, who listened over on YouTube where we cross post to the show.
Mo She’s
Jon So Matt, listen to the show. And the subject line was not a subject line. So Matt, listen to the show over there. The Amazing Stories episode that we did over on YouTube. So let’s see what Matt had to say.
Jon One of the greatest 30 minutes of television I’ve ever watched was the Amazing Stories episode, Dorothy and Ben. I challenge anyone to watch and not ugly cry at the end.
Jon ah
Mo ah
Jon There were a lot of those that were tearjerkers. Yeah, we didn’t really dig into the tearjerking aspect of Amazing Stories, but they were not only fanciful and fun, but some of them were heartfelt, too.
Mo Yeah, yeah.
Jon yeah ah is yeah He goes on to say other episodes that stand out was the two-part episode, Go to the Head of the Class with Christopher Lloyd.
Jon Don’t recognize that one, but Christopher Lloyd sounds good.
George m guy Yeah.
Jon Ring a bell for you, George, maybe? yeah
George Yeah. yeah
Jon Yeah. It’s a great Halloween-centric episode. And finally, the Mark Hamill episode, Gather Ye Acorns, is great. Somewhat cautionary story of what can happen when a collector doesn’t know when to let go of their prized possessions.
Jon Hmm.
Mo Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
Jon You know, we when we did that backtrack, I went and grabbed both seasons of Amazing Stories, but I have not been back to watch a lot of them. But as we’re getting emails of people saying their favorites, their favorites, I’m going to have to go back and watch some of these.
George he
Jon ah Matt wraps up by saying, I loved the series from the moment I watched the first episode on NBC back in 1985 and still love it to this day. Unfortunately, the second season was never released in the U.S.
Jon s on DVD, but there is a two-disc German Blu-ray set with every episode that’s region-free. It can be purchased for a decent price on Amazon. Yeah. Or George, is is that what you did?
Mo ah you No German.
Jon Did you purchase it off of Amazon? The German Blu-ray?
George Yeah, right off of the public domain Amazon website that I frequent quite often.
Mo yeah
George Hmm.
Jon I thought that’s what you did. ah Matt, thank you. We love that you listen. We love that you dropped us a line over on YouTube. Fourth listener, if you would like your email featured here on the show, you can comment on YouTube like Matt did or send us that email to podcast at genxgrownup.com or read every single one and most of them eventually make their way to the show.
Jon Okay. with that good mis With that good business in the rearview mirror, let’s jump into the body of episode two after two after this very quick break.
Jon right, media.
Jon In five. Oh, first, when we’re talking about media, what’d you think about a Running Man? Most of us have seen it, have you?
Mo No, I still haven’t.
Jon You still haven’t. Okay, still no spoilers.
Mo Hmm.
George Okay.
Jon What’d you think?
George I’m really happy that i we went saw it. We all three enjoyed it. I’m sad that it did not make its budget back.
Jon Uh-huh.
Jon Oh, yeah.
George I feel like that it went into the wrong weekend.
Jon Do you think you think it might later? Oh, was it up against something else?
George Yeah.
Jon I didn’t see. It was like Wicked or some other shit.
George ah Yeah, there was like there was some video was watching, and ah some guy was like saying, every film released in November was a box office flop, and he went through a whole bunch of them.
George And then he was contradicting himself halfway through, because he was like, well, this one had a budget of $10 million, and it made $100 million.
Jon No.
George i’m like, bitch, that ain’t a flop.
Mo ah so That’s not, yeah.
George They made a profit. What the fuck is wrong with you? But Running Man did…
Jon But you liked it. You enjoyed it.
George Yeah. It was…
Jon Okay.
George Mo, it’s really solid. I know you’re in a running man elitist from the last conversation we had. You were like, that’s not the book.
Jon Yeah.
George But trust me, this one’s, in it definitely was solid.
Mo Well, the first movie has nothing to do with the book, but hoping this was closer.
Mo Okay, cool.
Jon Cool. Right. There’s two, two yays, Mo. Go see it.
Mo ah Yep, absolutely.
Jon Yeah.
George Or just, it’s going to be on digital in like a week or two, so.
Jon Let’s get the ball rolling. Of course, talking about media we have been enjoying since we last spoke. Now this could be a film or television or books or comics or podcasts or whatever you’ve been enjoying. and i’m going to start with you, George. What have you been checking out since we last spoke?
George Yeah, you know, I mentioned this last time we had an episode during our hiatus with our rewinds and everything. i I watched a whole bunch of different stuff and it was hard to remember and pick.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George And, you know, so this is the next thing in from that thing of watching. And I’m still watching it because it’s released weekly. which is, you know, a nice change of pace whenever you’re talking about stuff that’s on streaming services.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George This one is on the MGM Plus streaming service, which I didn’t even realize MGM had a damn streaming service.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo Yeah, really. Who knew?
George It doesn’t matter. I get everything from APD, the amazing public domain. But… ah
Jon ah That’s a great network. They have so much good stuff.
George Right? They have so much good stuff. um But this one is another version of the familiar tale Robin Hood. And it’s obviously called Robin Hood.
Jon Hmm.
George What I enjoy the most about this one is everything is a very serious tone. ah Very akin, but not quite as as graphic as, say, Spartacus, but in that same kind of style of not pulling any punches with the narrative or…
Jon Oh, little darker, little more.
George Yeah, ah not the not the Kevin Costner, not the Mel Brooks version.
Jon so Okay. I gotcha. Yeah. Hmm.
George You know, definitely…
Jon Hmm.
Mo Okay, this guy’s better than Kevin Costner, right?
George yeah well, I mean…
Mo that’s all like That’s all I care about, really. Mm-hmm.
George i And I love the Robin Hood story, and I watch every single version of it that comes out that I find out about.
Jon oh
George So Taron Egerton, know, Kevin Costner, the Mel Brooks…
Mo Mm-hmm.
George It doesn’t matter to me. I’ll watch all of them. This one, I will say… The acting is solid. There are a few notable actors in it, but not many. The most notable ones are Sean Bean and Connie Nielsen.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo Oh.
George If you guys remember them, Sean Bean, of course, from most notably recently, I guess, Game of Thrones, Ned Stark getting his head chopped off in the first episode guy.
Mo Mm-hmm.
Mo Yeah. Did he die in this one, too? Because he was Lord of Rings, he dies.
George No, no, no. So he is the Sheriff of Nottingham.
Mo nice. Okay. oh nice okay
Jon oh
George Yeah, really solid casting for him. um Connie Nielsen is queen, which she does a really good job with that. And there’s a whole lot of political intrigue. It’s got that kind of a story into it. Marion ends up at the queen’s court while Robin of Loxley is at home. His father’s hanged by the sheriff and all these bad, you know, Saxons and Normans kind of battling back and forth. It’s definitely steeped in the traditional Robin Hood story.
Jon Hmm. So what is your, you say you watch all of these. do you have a particular affinity for Robin Hood that stems from, like, did you read it as a child or?
George No, so i didn’t, well, number one, to say read it as a child is kind of a misnomer because the Robin Hood mythos, you know, stems from like one poem written like 200 years after he was supposed to have been born.
Jon Sure. Fair, right.
George And it turns out to be completely false and just made up because none of the timelines of that poem line up with what really happened. there There really was no Saxon Robin of Loxley because it doesn’t line up in the timeline thing.
Jon Okay.
George But, um
Jon All right.
George I think the very first Robin Hood thing I ever saw was that, uh, I guess it was Disney that did that Fox Robin Hood cartoon movie.
Mo Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jon Oh, the animated one.
Mo Way back in the day, yeah.
Jon that you mean?
George The, yeah, yeah.
Jon Sure. Okay.
George And I kind of liked it from that, I guess, as a young kid.
Jon okay ah Sure.
George And just the idea of, you know, robbing from the rich and giving to the poor and standing up for the little man, that’s always a great underdog story.
Jon Sure.
George And I’ve always been a fan of the underdog ah mythos of any story, you know Rocky or any of those kinds of things that, you know, somebody bucks against the odds and makes good in one way or another.
Jon Got it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
George And boy, I tell you, there are some, there’s some solid, uh, teeth in this series. the guy who plays little John is brilliant. I don’t know who he is. but he is, he is really solid. Um,
George they’ve got a will scarlet character in there, but he actually, at least at the first part of this thing, I’ve watched like six or seven episodes so far. Um, he’s at the court with Marion.
George Uh, he and he and Robin do have a kind of a tussle with their friends, but they are mad at each other kind of thing. Um, Robin’s father and mother played great parts while they were alive.
George There’s also a spiritual aspect to this one because this story does Robin as a Saxon, and Saxons were considered pagans to the Normans because Normans were the Catholic Church and everything.
Jon okay
George So the Saxons believe in these divine spirits of the forest. Sherwood Forest, of course, and so…
Mo Oh, okay.
George real solid stuff so far. If you like those at all, but you were disappointed by things like the Kevin Costner notorious one, um, or even the Taron Egerton one, which was like maybe seven years ago, six, seven years ago, something like that.
Mo Wow, it’s that long. Wow.
Jon At least. Yeah, I think so.
George Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
George It was pre pandemic.
Jon Sounds like some more mature layers in there too. There’s something more to, some more to chew on.
George Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
George And the only downside is you just have to wait each week that, you know in the day of streaming, you kind of want to binge, but at the same time, I’m, it is nice to have to anticipate.
Jon That’s not so bad. Yeah.
Mo That’s not so bad.
George So solid TV show, Mo.
Jon I agree. Yeah. Yeah. yeah All right. Robin Hood.
George Uh, I, I’m really not sure what to make of the title of what you want to talk about. I’m like, I don’t know if that’s, is that an oxymoron?
Mo No, it’s not. What I’m talking about is a TV show from UK BBC. It’s called Celebrity Traders. And basically, it’s an existing reality show where it’s basically they get a group of people and they play Mafia or Werewolf or one of those.
George ah
Mo It’s that style of game.
George Oh,
Mo And what they do is that during the day, they compete together for money prizes and they add to the the prize pot at the end.
Jon o who
Mo And at night, they do the voting and someone gets killed and you know there are people who are the… the traitors and the people who aren’t the traitors, who the fateful is what they’re called. This is a celebrity version of that they they did.
George okay.
Mo um So when I say celebrity, they had like Jonathan Ross. It’s all British actors, ah but Jonathan Ross, ah Stephen Fry.
George Mm hmm.
Jon Okay.
Mo ah told me you have to know who Stephen Fry is, right?
George yeah Oh.
Jon Oh, all right. Yeah.
Mo um And again, it’s it’s people, if you saw me like, oh, if you saw any British TV, you know, ah the guy who plays Nate from Ted Lasso.
Jon Yep.
Mo He’s one of the people in it.
Jon Oh, sure.
George Oh.
Jon Yep.
Mo yeahp um And it’s, I think, eight or nine episodes, and they start with 19 people, and it start follows the standard format.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo you know They all have to put masks on. The host walks around the circular table, and he taps your shoulder to let you know you’re the traitor. And every night, and they did do do the whole drama. Like, at night, they all had to wear these, like, robes with the hoods that cover their faces.
Mo So when they walk into the room for the first time, they don’t know who the other traders are, and so they pull their hoods back, you know, and they’re like, oh!
Jon Yeah.
George As long as this doesn’t go into eyes wide shut territory.
Mo And then…
Mo Yeah, it is. But um and I wasn’t sure about the show, but let me tell you, we started watching it and we pretty much binged it over like two days um because it’s always one of those like because they leave you on those really good cliffhangers like who’s murdered, who wasn’t, you know who’s voting.
Jon Hmm.
Mo And it was just a lot of fun to watch.
Jon So you said they start with like 19 people. So as people get killed in the show, do they just, they’re actually off the show?
Mo Yep. Mm hmm.
Jon Like they got voted off the show?
Mo They’re off the show. They’re gone.
Jon They’re done. So you’re you’re slowly, just like playing a game of werewolf or something.
Mo Yep, you’re whittling it down.
Jon So these celebrities, through no fault of their own, they might be gone first episode. So no no protection being a celebrity, apparently. You’re out, right?
Mo Oh, no, none at all. Because they’re all like very well-known in England, apparently.
Jon Yeah. they all They all are. Okay.
Mo you know It’s just that you know some of them are a little bit more well-known here.
Jon All right. is And ah what are they playing for? is Is it prize money or charity or what’s the…
Mo Oh, charity. So normally they play for prize money.
Jon Okay, so you’re going prize.
Mo And then how it works is at the very end, um it gets down to four people.
Jon Got it.
Jon Yeah.
Mo They can vote to say, okay, we’re… We’re done. We’re good.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo And if there’s no traders, they split the money.
Jon Oh, okay.
Mo If there’s one trader in there, the trader wins it all.
Jon There you go.
Jon It wins it all. Oh, yeah.
Mo And so so they could call for another vote, vote somebody else out.
Jon Okay. Logic.
Mo And that when there’s three, they could do it again. Are we good with this three?
Jon Hmm.
Mo No, we could do another vote.
George So the lowest you could get down to is two because what’s the vote there, right?
Mo Yes.
George But I’m curious. So if you get tapped as a traitor in episode one, are you a traitor then throughout the rest of the series?
Mo The whole thing.
Jon oh
George So do they nominate more traitors?
Mo The whole show.
George Because you use that in the plural.
Mo Nope, that’s it.
George So there’s just one.
Mo no ah No, no, no. There’s three traders. They pick three of the 19 are traders.
George Okay. Okay.
Jon Ah, okay. And they can kind of collude work together just like in those other games I expect to pick who to get rid of.
Mo And. Exactly.
Jon Okay.
Mo And watching the voting, because, know, obviously as a spectator, you know what’s going on, right?
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo You know what’s going on behind the scenes.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo You’ve seen the traders, what they’re doing and watching people just scramble. you know, or, or latch on like to the littlest, you know, you laughed when he said so-and-so, you know, you know, I mean, just as a littlest, and they’re like, so suspicious.
George he he
Mo yeah You’re an amazing actor. You could be totally fooling us right now.
Jon ah
Mo Yeah.
George it’s kind of like when we’re playing press your press the button or among us on the discord server it’s kind of that same thing people latch on like marcus for those of you guys who are ever in our discord server he’s one of our longtime listeners he latches on to the smallest little thing and rides that until it’s dead
Mo he
Jon Yeah.
Jon Yep.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Yep. I’m sure it’s you the whole time because you voted for me once or whatever.
Mo Exactly.
Jon Yeah.
George right
Jon Anything. Yep.
George ah
Mo But let me tell you, it’s it was it exciting to see because the the people that pick a traders were a really good pick. I’m not going spoil it because you have to watch it to see it.
Jon Okay. Sure.
Mo um One of them, I was like, no way this person could ever be a trader. They did great, you know, um and just listening to people like, you know, Stephen Fry, I mean,
Jon o
Jon Oh yeah.
George Yeah.
Mo He’s a smart guy, right? Everyone knows how intelligent he is. First thing people lash on, you’re smart enough to be a traitor. I mean, it was just ridiculous.
Jon Using that against him, just celebrity status.
Mo Yeah, using that against him.
Jon Yeah.
George I’m just kind of curious, like, I wish that this show, because obviously they showed you in camera who the traitor was, so you knew it as the audience.
Mo Yes.
George I kind of wish sometimes the audience could watch a version of the episode where we could play along and not know who the traitor is.
Mo We don’t know.
Jon And don’t know. Yeah.
George that To me, that would be even more intriguing because I love trying to solve mysteries.
Mo Yeah. Well, and I think this one was a little bit better than their normal show because they’re all celebrities, like all fairly well known.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo They all kind of know each other. They’re in the same circles, more or less.
George Sure.
Jon Uh-huh.
Mo Right. So they felt so guilty. When they acute because they said they’re like the first vote, they’re like, I have nothing to go on.
George he
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo yo dada And if it’s the wrong person, they’re like, oh, my God. They’re like, I’m so sorry. yeah i think i didn’t think you were a traitor. know, it was a lot of fun to watch. I think that actually the fact that I knew some of the people made it better than if it was like just strangers that you’re just kind of meeting for the first time.
Jon Okay. Yeah, I can see that.
Mo you know i mean But yeah, if you get a chance to watch it again, it’s called Celebrity Traders ah UK.
Jon Yeah.
Mo I think it’s actually an NBC here. I think the the NBC streaming service actually shows it here. So if you get a chance to watch, though, it’s definitely a lot of fun.
George Mm-hmm.
Jon Mm.
Mo So, John, the movie you I want to see this movie, i have not watched it yet.
Jon Mm.
Mo So i’m curious what you thought of it.
Jon Yeah. so Well, you know, it’s kind of it’s it’s that problem of, again, I wanted to go see it at the theater and then I just didn’t get out. And they hit it streaming so fast before I could get out to see it.
Mo Yeah.
Jon I was looking forward to this. i don’t know, an an episode or two ago. This is a film called Roof Man that stars Channing Tatum. Now, I first heard about this film, not not the film, heard about the story.
Mo Oh, yeah.
Jon It’s based on a true story. about this guy So I heard about it on ah another podcast called Criminal that you might be familiar with. Really good stories about true crime.
Mo Oh, yes. Yes, yes.
Jon You get interviewed by this woman and they explain, you know, what happened. And so… And she had the guy on talking him about what happened and everything. And so… The story, the true story is ah this guy was a, they called him the roof man because he figured out it was pretty easy to break into fast food restaurants by climbing up on the roof.
Jon You know, they have those those ladders, those metal ladders on the side of a fast food restaurant.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon He would climb up there at night and use a hammer to chip through like the, the the tar paper and stuff and drop in and wait for the people to come in in the morning and and with the bank and take the money from them.
Jon But he was notoriously friendly about it.
Mo okay
Jon Very kind, very courteous in as much as you can be. Like he had a gun, but he never actually pointed at anybody. was intimidation. There’s notoriously a story of he robbed this one store and locked them in the freezer to keep them from coming out.
Jon And the guy didn’t bring a coat. So he gave him his coat off his back before he locked him in the freezer.
Mo ah Thank you.
Jon Well, he eventually gets caught and he breaks out. Really cool jailbreak because he’s so kind and so intelligent. He gets out and he looks for a place to hide. And that’s kind of where this story picks up is this criminal played by Channing Tatum.
Jon finds that he can go to a place that has, it’s well lit, it’s air conditioned, there’s food in it. He goes to a Toys R Us. He breaks in. Well, actually, he doesn’t break in.
Jon He goes in during working hours and hides.
George Mm-mm.
Jon He hides somewhere until everybody leaves. He finds a little hidey hole where he can set up a little secret cave. And during the day, he tries to lead a normal life because he figured everybody’s going to think he’s on the run. Nobody’s going to think he’s just kind of the next town over hanging out.
Jon And he creates this life for himself. Kristen Dunst plays a woman that he meets and he develops a real relationship with her.
Mo Thank you.
Jon Like they’re talking about maybe starting a family and getting married. He has a, she has a daughter, I think, but talking about maybe getting married
Mo excuse
George two.
Jon Yeah, two kids. That’s right. Two kids. ah And you know, in this in this movie, the one like loves him and the other one is like this angsty teenager who hates them. And you know, as soon as she comes around to like him is when, boom, you know the other shoe’s going to drop and people are going find out about him. But he’s donating stuff to kids like toy drives. He steals it from Toys R Us. If he needs money, he steals video games and pawns them. He’s just really robbing this Toys R Us blind until finally, as I said, it kind of all hits the fan.
Jon the The great thing about this movie is that it’s more than what you think it is. Even if you know the story, which I did going in, I thought it was going to be, i thought it was going be a heist movie. I thought it was going to be just a shenanigans movie, but it’s really kind of, I heard George kind of nodding, like maybe he he’s seen this, right?
Mo Yes.
Jon did you get a chance to see it?
George Oh yeah. Yeah. I was looking forward to the same time you were when we talked about it a month or two ago.
Jon Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
George I watched it as soon as it hit digital. APD is a great network.
Jon yeah
George You guys should really get it.
Jon I know, right?
George um
Jon Yeah.
George But it’s, I was interested in because Channing Tatum, Kirsten Dunst, and Peter Dinklage, all of them are, are very talented.
Mo yes
Jon Yeah, Peter Dinklage.
George But what I liked, ah I didn’t think it was going to be a heist film at all. I really thought it was going to be a relationship film, a human story film.
Jon No? Okay.
George And that’s kind of what it turned out to be.
Jon That’s more what we got, right? The trailer didn’t advertise it quite like that, and I love that there was the shenanigans involved.
George Yeah. 100%.
Jon Really good human story, kind of a romance story, kind of a… adversity story. Like you, you kind of root for this guy who is a criminal because he’s so genuinely nice and he wants to do well, but he doesn’t want to do it the way you’re supposed to really.
George hundred percent
Jon He’s got it when it comes down to.
George Well, he tries to do it the way you’re supposed to.
Jon Sure.
George And his so he has a wife and child himself when he starts all this thing. And he starts his crime because he can’t provide for them. And his wife is his wife was depicted as being only about the money.
Jon Right.
George She’s not in it for love at all. she’s like no like when we first meet him he’s not even with his wife until he starts stealing shit and gets money then she lives with him again then he gets caught then she’s done with him again and living with somebody else like oh it was a very solid film i loved the ending i love the fact that the ending held true to the real the reality of the story
Jon And then she likes him. Yeah.
Mo she
Jon Yeah. Yeah.
Jon It did. Yeah. Yeah. and And being a true story… It adds some gravitas to it and having, I’d recommend and people listen to the the criminal podcast to learn more about it, hear this guy and tell his story because it’s really remarkable what he did.
Jon Not, I mean, remarkable, like it’s admirable, but how well he did what he did and what he accomplished and how he was able to game the system, turn off the cameras.
Mo Yeah.
Jon He’s just a smart guy. He made it work in such a way. And it makes for a fun. So you do get the heist film that I talked about, heist or shenanigans or whatever, but it’s a much deeper film maybe than you might think going in.
Jon Because look at the cover. It’s a Channing Tatum and he’s got like, like a floaty on and a big stuffed animal on his head.
Mo yeah
Jon It looks like a goofball comedy and it’s not that at all. It’s, it’s much better that you have that and more. It’s much better. So, uh, I definitely recommend roof, man. If you’re thinking about it, or maybe it’s just barely on your radar, you should go, you should make it’s on streaming.
Jon Now you don’t to go to the theater. So,
Mo I’m going to kick off Tekken Toys today because I had a problem that I think a lot of people out there have.
Jon Hmm.
Mo This is that you have your big TV or you have a TV and you have a separate soundbar, right?
Jon Okay.
Mo Or system of some sort.
Jon Sure.
George Right.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo So I had two remotes, right? One for the turn the TV on, you know, when to do the sound volume control, right? ah For some reason, that just bothers me to no end.
Mo It has bothered me forever. I hate having two remotes because I’m like, these all should work from one remote. And plus, that our TV was…
Jon Yeah. And you never are holding the one you need is the other one that you need.
Mo Exactly. And the one you need is never actually close to you, right?
George right
Mo Oh, I can’t hear it. And also you’re scrambling for the other remote. Anyway, so we have a a Roku and in front and Roku will turn on the TV and, you know controls the basic stuff on the TV that i need. But I want something to control the volume.
Mo So I was looking at universal remotes and we all had experiences with the various types with various levels of success.
Jon Sure.
Mo And I ran across something. It was, I saw an Amazon basically for 30 bucks, It’s called a um it’s a remote attachment that attaches to the side of your Roku remote that you can program. Yep.
Jon Huh. Side click.
George Oh.
Jon It’s called like sidekick, but it clicks.
Mo Yeah.
Jon I’m looking at picture of this, Mo.
Mo Yeah.
Jon It’s just what you said. It clicks on. It has more buttons.
Mo It clicks us. yeah It’s exactly. And it has the it has all the different braces for all the different size Roku remotes. So whatever one you have, it has one outfit. It makes your remote a little bit wider.
Jon Hmm.
Mo But, you know, it’s one of those things, you know, you point the remote at each other and you can program it.
Jon Hmm.
Mo Program the volume on it, added the mute button. I’m done. I now have one remote that controls everything for 30 bucks, which some of those decent universal remotes, you’re talking like 80 bucks, you know, for some of the nice ones and stuff.
Jon Hmm.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Mo And it worked perfectly right out of the gate. It had no issues with it. It clicked. It clicks on. So it feels like it’s one thing. It doesn’t feel flimsy on it at all. It doesn’t feel like to fall off or anything like that.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo And now, best of all, my stress level, my home has gone down because I have one remote and I can control if you’re going to without searching for a second remote.
Jon do you Do you think, did you explore? and i know you’ve talked about universal remotes. Good ones can be way more expensive.
Mo Yes.
Jon Did you explore ones that are just like Roku and then some stuff? that And you those you found were actually more than this solution?
Mo those Yeah, they’re more expensive um than this one.
Jon Were they? Okay. I haven’t priced one a long time, so.
Mo and And this one, the minimum price, I think it was about $50 for a decent one, yeah know for a good one.
Jon Okay. Yeah.
Mo that And plus, you have that one that you can program, which some of them just like have codes and stuff like that.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Jon Yep.
Mo So if you happen to have something that didn’t work with it, you got look.
Jon Like a library. Yeah. Stuck.
Mo But this one, you just point through most of each other. It programs super easy.
Jon Learning. Yeah.
George So I was just watching some videos this past week ah where people were showing how to set up a sound bar on a TV. Cause I just assumed, Oh, you just plug in whatever cable you have and it works.
Mo Yeah.
George But apparently I guess it’s completely different depending upon which port you plug in the back of your TV and what cable type you use.
Mo Oh, yeah. Optical, non-optical, yeah.
George Um,
Jon Wow. Hmm.
George Yeah, and I was just wondering because apparently even the regular Roku remotes with a Roku device can work just fine if you use that EARC HDMI plug and use that over to your soundbar, but I guess you found that wasn’t true.
Mo Yeah, our soundbar uses the the optical cable, the audio optical that’s in the back.
Jon So not an HDMI at all.
George So yours didn’t have an HDMI in.
Jon Sure.
Mo It didn’t know it did not.
Jon Okay.
George Oh, okay.
Jon Yep.
Mo It did not have an HBIN.
Jon Separate in.
Mo So in the Roku will control the volume on the TV just fine, but that’s not we want.
Jon There’s not a pass through.
George Right.
Mo Like we want that always be zero because we want the sound out of the soundbar.
Jon Yep. Yep.
George Yeah, I think that there’s some kind of universal thing thats ah that EARC is some way that these devices can talk to each other and can control each other, turn each other on and off.
Jon Yeah. Passes more metadata beyond audio and video.
George Yeah.
Mo Okay.
Jon You’re right. Yep.
George Yeah.
Mo Okay, well, that’s cool.
Jon Yep.
George So this is a way to get around that if you don’t have that connection.
Mo If you don’t have it, especially if you have like maybe you have an older soundbar or something like that as well.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yep. Sure.
George Right.
Mo You know, so, yeah, it definitely works.
George Right.
Jon Yep.
Mo I said like nothing better than something that does as advertised. You know, it does one thing.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yep.
Mo It does it really well. So I’m extremely happy. So I’ll throw a link to it.
Jon The side click. Yeah.
Mo Yep.
Jon Cool.
Mo Yeah. I’ll throw link to it in the show notes, of course. So at the top of the show, John, john you mentioned somebody who was having like a kind of an addiction problem kind of with pinball.
Jon All right.
Jon Yes. A bit of a pinball addiction.
Mo Yeah.
Jon And it wasn’t me and it wasn’t you.
Mo Yeah, listen,
George Okay, I really think we should avoid labels at this point. Calling somebody an addict seems offensive to me, and we’re not about that on this channel.
Mo who? We accept all. So, George, what do you got for us?
George yeah
Jon right
George Yeah, so… I’m stupid. um
Jon All we’ll be right back, everyone.
George For years…
Mo Yeah, exactly okay, we’re moving on now.
George Yeah, we’ll be right back after this, ladies and gentlemen. for years before John decided to move into genetic grown up full time, he had the big money and was always buying cool shit.
George And I was always a little bit envious because I was still coming up in my job. Well, now that role is flipped a little bit, although Mo is still by far bigger than both of us, but ah I’m now making good money. My wife makes good money. ah And I’m at the point where I’m like, fuck it age, I guess.
Jon it just
George And so I can just buy stuff and yeah, you know, they need to learn to make it on their own.
Jon Who needs an inheritance, kids? Mm-hmm.
George Like I had to, so I didn’t like a lot of things my dad taught me, but he did say he’s not taking anything with him.
Mo Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah.
Jon ah
George So I guess I’m following along. Anyway, I’ve been really into pinball for several years now. And, um, Over the Black Friday, Cyber Monday craziness this year, there were a lot of good sales on pinball-specific things. This one that I’m going to talk about today is one of three pinball machines that I’ve purchased.
George It was the last one I purchased, but the first one to get to me. Um, and it’s called the at games legends pinball micro. Now this is not a new device.
Mo Ooh. Mm-hmm.
George It’s been out for two or three years. Um, at games legend pinball is a full size machine and it’s very expensive. Well, it’s moderately expensive compared to other pinball machines, but,
George These are all virtual pinball machines. So they have a monitor in the play field area and they have a monitor in the black glass area. And you get to select just like you would with any front end loader for MAME or any of those kinds of things.
George You get to select the pinball machine you’d like to play at that moment, press a couple of buttons.
Mo Okay.
George And now the pinball machine is that game. um
Jon Mm-hmm.
George What I learned in, um, powering this thing on the first night we got it, uh, they seem to have some kind of relationship with, um, mad pixel.
George Mad pixel is familiar to me because they are the ones who create the, uh, virtual tables for Zakaria pinball that I’ve talked about previously on the show.
Mo okay
George And we’ll be doing a video for in the not too distant future. If i can get off my butt and do it. Um, it It’s a solid little system. This is definitely designed for rich children.
Jon but
Mo Which, you know, that’s right your wheelhouse.
Jon Which you are. Perfect.
George Well, like it’s a 700 ish dollar machine.
Jon Right.
George Normally I got it for more than half.
Jon Hmm.
George I was like 54% off during the black Friday, cyber Monday. So I paid like 300 bucks for this thing.
Jon Hmm.
George Um,
Jon Oh, okay.
George ah solid deal. You get, i don’t know how many tables are in, five pages and I think there’s like 10 or maybe 12 machines on a page. So 50 or 60 machines that come with it automatically.
Mo Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jon Mmm,
George You can then add more to your library just like you can with most other of these systems that you might imagine.
Jon wow
George You can buy packages of pinball machines. You can buy individual machines, things like that. And it’s all done either wirelessly, if you connect it to your wifi or over an ethernet cable, either one is fine.
George It has all the flippers buttons that you would want. It has nudge buttons. So you can, you know, like if you had a real pinball machine and you were jostling it left or right, it doesn’t have a plunger.
Jon Mm hmm. Mm
George It has a plunger button
Jon hmm. Okay.
George But you hold the button down and it pulls the plunger back and then when you let it go, so you can kind of control it a little bit.
Mo OK, I mean.
Mo Oh, OK, so you can still control it.
Jon Mm hmm.
Mo OK, OK.
Jon Right.
George um Screen’s not huge. it’s It’s probably like a 15-inch tablet-sized screen.
Jon Okay.
George Um, but it’s, it’s damn addictive and fun. Uh, I’ve already taken a video because my mother came over the first night we opened it up and we have it just sitting on the kitchen counter and I showed it to her and I was like, mom, give this a try.
Mo You.
George You used to play pinball back in the early eighteen hundreds or whatever you were born. Um, give us a try.
Mo I’m sure she appreciated that.
Jon You and Mo used to play two player.
George And, uh, right.
Mo ah no one can see what I’m doing right now. Okay.
George Yeah.
Jon oh Is that, Hey, we’re number one. We’re number one.
George yeah
Jon Mo held up one finger for us.
George So she was playing it and she was immediately engrossed in this game. She was like into it and grunting and trying to, you know, make sure like flippers were going a mile a minute.
George She was just having a blast. My son and my wife have also played it. They’re really enjoying it.
Jon Hmm.
George I definitely am. It was a good $300 purchase.
Jon Sounds like it.
George And it’s like I said, the first of three major pinball purchases that I’ve made.
Mo i was I’m looking at it Amazon. um a couple of things I looked at seem very cool about it is that the the back screen is also a screen. like
George It is. That’s what I was… Yeah, you’ve got a TV in the play field and TV in the back screen.
Jon Mm hmm.
Mo yeah so it’s back So that changes.
Jon Yeah, yeah, two screens.
Mo how is it the It is a smaller screen, which is okay for what it is. Does it give you a good like perspective view? i mean, do you get that 3D-ish feel when you play it?
George Yeah. Yeah, not only do you get that visual, there’s also a little bit of haptics in this because of some of the speaker drivers that they’re using in this thing.
Jon Mm hmm. Yeah.
George When the ball is rolling around, Zakaria and Mad Pixel, they are very good at creating soundscapes with those speakers that you don’t just hear the ball rolling on wood like you do when you’re playing a pinball, but you can feel it because of the way they they engineer the sound wave through the speakers.
Jon hmm. Cool. Sure.
George And that’s true in this case. Like when your hands are on the machine and the ball is rolling around, you not only can hear it, you can kind of feel it.
Mo Okay.
Jon Interesting.
George which is really solid. um They don’t have, it at least I don’t believe so, I haven’t opened it up yet.
Mo he’s 50.
George I don’t think they have any pistons in it to like do any knocking on the table, like when you’re hitting a flipper or the bumpers or anything, but the speakers still do a nice job of conveying that feeling with the sound.
Jon That’s yeah. So you said I was really surprised 40 or 50 games. I haven’t looked at the Amazon listing to see, but 50.
George Mm-hmm.
Mo he’s fifty it says fifty
Jon fifty Wow. So are there any that like, Are these like original tables or any of them like licensed tables that you recognize from, you know Williams or Bali or classic things or like that? And, or, do you know, since you can add on, are there any of those tables, you know, real for the real world, you can add on here?
George So there are a couple of different answers to that question.
Mo Thank
Jon Yeah, I know.
George ah The first off, first off, a lot of the tables that are here, because it’s a partnership with Mad Pixel and most of their tables are Zakaria tables, those originals are all from real pinball machines.
Jon I asked like three questions.
Jon Okay. right.
George The Zaccaria Pinball Company was an Italian company, and they were the third largest company in like the late 70s to the early 80s, behind Bally and Midway.
Jon okay
George but they just weren’t real known here in the U S they were obviously way more popular in Europe.
Mo Thank you.
George um So they have probably a third of the machines are those original machines. Then another third, or maybe even a little bit more than that are those machines re-imagined in more modern format.
George So those machines are the original 1970 ish things. Like you might have seen back in the day, like when we were kids,
Mo Thank you.
George You would go to a cheap penny arcade at Disney World or something. We have that really old one that would have the two really small short flippers and a little hole for the ball to fall into.
Jon Yep.
George If you got lucky, a couple of bumpers.
Jon Yeah.
George And that was the whole pinball machine. Then they take that machine and they reimagine it a little bit more with the same theme, but now with some ramps and some spinners and ah targets to drop.
Jon Little effects and things it’ll do. Got it.
George Yeah, and then they do another version of it that’s even more modern, that’s closer to what Stern is doing today. So, they have a lot of, like, Time Machine is one of their most popular models, and it’s the one that they give for free on their Steam version of their platform. They have the original, then they have the reimagined, and then they have the modern.
George And they’re just all fun to play.
Jon okay
George Now you can buy other things. And I said, there were other ways to answer it. What AtGames has also done, they’ve there’s a board that I’m trying to either buy or get them to send me called the VCB.
Jon who
George And you plug this onto the back of the machine and you can then connect your own PC to that machine, run Steam, and run PinballFX or V-Pen or any other virtual pinball system you want.
Jon Oh.
Mo Oh, wow.
Jon Oh, but using this machine’s displays and controls and stuff.
George And it switches…
Mo And controls.
George Yeah, it switches the back display so that you don’t have to you know unplug and replug and all that kind of stuff.
Jon Oh. Nice.
Jon Right.
Mo That’s be cool.
Jon Okay. So expansion options too. So, so you spent 300 and he’s going he’s going to spend another 800 expanding it and adding more cool stuff to it.
George Yeah, they’re essentially unlimited. Yeah.
Jon Probably.
George I mean, even just to put legs on this thing is $100, so yeah.
Jon Oh, so it’s just on a table by default. it’s a little guy. I get it. Yeah.
George It’s like a countertop, yeah.
Jon Yeah. It’s cute.
Mo This is neat looking.
Jon It’s cute. Yeah.
George it’s it’s really a lot of fun if anybody wants i know mo will put a link down in the show notes my experience so far in the first like four or five days of having this it’s well worth the money if you have the money to spend now if you’re tight on your budget it’s not but if you’re not tight on your budget it’s worth it
Jon Hmm.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Sure.
Jon Yeah.
Jon It looks like one of the cheapest ways to get into some virtual pinball and kind of get your kind of get your dip your toe in a little bit and see.
Mo Yeah.
George mm-hmm yeah
Jon Because even a full price is under $1,000. And at this sale, it’s like $3,10 or $3,15, whatever you said.
Mo Yeah, three tens right now.
Jon That’s not that’s not bad.
George Yeah.
Jon You know, any little a game gadgets is going to cost you $50 or $60 these days for starters.
Mo No, it’s not for 50 tables too.
Jon So, yeah.
Mo Yeah.
George Yeah.
Jon like it Okay. All right. When I come over, I’m going to play some pinball.
Jon that’s That’s cool.
Jon All right.
Mo Yeah.
George  All right, everybody, it’s time to talk about games. Even though we were just talking about pinball, now we’re going talk about video games mostly for the most part, although we might be also talking about board games or card games or anything else.
Jon you?
George In this case, we’re going to start off with John with a game whose name I’m not even going to a try to pronounce because if anybody’s watching the bit by bit videos, you know I’m terrible at that.
Jon Okay.
Jon Cool. Okay.
George So John, I’m just going to say it’s got RPG at the end of it and let you take it from there.
Jon It does. You’re right. You’re right. So I’m not positive how to pronounce it, but I do my best. So this is called Effulgence RPG. I had to look up what Effulgence meant. Was it a made up word? I was looking forward to this a few episodes ago.
Jon This is Effulgence, by the way. you wonder It means like bright and shining and radiant. It’s kind of what it means.
Mo Okay.
George Hmm.
Jon So this this is like a very radiant RPG, if you will. You might remember a few episodes ago. Also, i talked about this game that was… It was like Minesweeper, but all with ASCII art.
Mo ah right. Yeah.
George Right.
Mo Yeah.
George Yeah.
Jon Recall that?
Mo Mm-hmm.
Jon Same one-man development team, Andre Fomen, who made that game, which is called ASCII, made Fulgence RPG.
George hmm.
Jon This is a game I’ve seen GIFs of for a while on social, and I’m eager to play it.
George Oh,
Jon Now, I have a live stream, and Mo, I will share with you the link to the live stream where I played the demo for this game. But this game is now out in early access, and it’s available.
Mo Okay.
Jon Here’s what it is. It is fully rendered in ASCII. ASCII characters. The little shapes and letters and numbers and stuff like you’d see on a BBS or something.
Jon But those characters are wrapped around three dimensional objects. So the enemies in this RPG that you fight might come flying in and maybe the helicopter prop is made of the words prop P R O P or something.
Jon And, and, and the, and the skids might say skid, you know, and the, the gun might say gun, like it’s really made out of the letters.
Mo Mm-hmm.
George ah
Mo Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jon There’s a big skull and like it’s for the eye holes where it’s dark. It says like eyes and nose and, you know, everything is made out of characters, but it’s a three dimensional world.
Mo she
Jon So you look at this map and it looks like it’s on a globe. And the whole thing rotates with these characters mapped onto it in space. And then you have a very quip heavy, snarky, good sense of humor, RPG story going on where you’re developing your a little character and you’re getting guns that you can use to attack people.
Mo she
Mo you
Jon And because it’s all in this computer, well, abilities you can get like, oh, I got this new ability that reduces my ping so I can attack more frequently. Like it’s all happening in a computer somehow.
George he
Jon And these enemies come out and they have these different lasers and they put you in a lag bubble so you can’t attack as often, you know, and the bubble is made out of little ones and zeros and periods and stuff and everything you might expect in an RPG with that aesthetic where you have an area you can go and restore your health or buy new weapons.
Jon weapons or power-ups or add people to your party, you know, and based on their ping, you decide when they get to attack and that sort of thing. And it even comes down to everything is moving all the time. So when you aim at someone, the percentage of you hitting is changing in real time.
Jon Moves away from you, it drops down to 60, 50, 40, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70. So you actually time your attacks in real time to hit this thing that has rotating numbers on it. it is If you don’t like RPGs, you can still like this game.
Jon i care I happen to like RPGs, but the the the the character of the game, the personality of the game, and the way that it looks so much like…
Mo Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jon It’s like if Tron hadn’t looked the way Tron looks with all the neon and everything, this would have been the obvious alternative display style for Tron. Everything is letters and numbers and periods and dots.
Jon And you guys remember, certainly, a Utopia Must Fall, the game that we played several times, right?
George Oh yeah.
Jon And remember, it’s a vector-based game. So you could go in and change the different kinds of vectors. Is it a Vectrex? Is it a monochrome? Is it whatever? He does the same thing here. You can go in and change.
Jon Is it an amber screen monitor? Is it ah just a green and black screen monitor? Or is it a full color kind of, you know, ah what is the yeah was the VGA or SVGA kind of color scheme that it could be?
George Mm-hmm. Nice.
Mo cool
George he
Mo oh geez EGA
Jon Right. Yeah. it’s It’s a good RPG at its core. On top of that, it’s a really inventive art style and display. And on top of all that, it’s good writing.
Jon I can’t recommend this enough. Right now, it’s in early access. It’s like 10 bucks right now. We’re going to stream it again now that it’s full. And at that time, we already talked to the author, Andre Fomen, and he’s interested in getting some keys to give away for folks. So we’re going to follow-up live stream. So be sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel and keep an eye out for that if you want a chance to get a free copy before too long.
Mo You know, while you’re talking, i went and looked it up on Steam. And even though it’s the building blocks are ASCII characters, it looks.
Jon Yep.
Jon Yep. Yes.
Mo Phenomenal, I mean.
Jon It’s used so creatively.
Mo Yeah, i mean, it looks really cool.
Jon Yeah.
Mo It also says that the the things you fight are the resources, I guess, like in order to get resources, you have to fight things.
Jon Right, right. As you destroy them and they crumble, you’re like, you harvest all their little letters and numbers and that’s what you make other stuff out of.
Mo Oh, that looks really cool.
Jon Yeah.
Mo All right, cool.
Jon Yeah.
Mo I’m getting it.
Jon It’s smart.
Mo It’s cheap. It’s ten bucks.
Jon It’s so smart.
George Hmm.
Jon That’s right. Yep. So smart. yeah Okay. So I was looking forward to that. I got to play it. I’ll be playing it some more. George, what have you been playing? Wait, I’m going to guess.
Mo but Mmm. Ugh.
Jon Is it pinball related?
George It is pinball related and I’m not going to talk very long about it because I want to get to Mo’s thing really quickly.
Jon ah
Mo ah
George But yeah, I wanted to just briefly talk about Zakaria Pinball, their Steam application again, because I’ve talked about it in the past. And the only reason I wanted one to bring it up is they have finally come out of beta mode or whatever.
George And this is their full product. Now the, the ah base game is free to download. Like most of these things are, and then you purchase tables and, as you like, you know, whatever tables you decide that you want to play.
Jon Mm-hmm. Okay.
George um Why I wanted to talk about it is because with this new update that they did to come out of beta, the whole user interface has completely changed.
Jon okay
George every It is like a hundred times bigger now than it was when I was first looking at this thing. They have tournaments going on. They have challenges going on. Each table has like eight different game modes that you can try out.
George Not just, you know, your regular three balls and you’re done kind of game mode but like traveling distance modes and timed modes and all these different things there are over 5 000 achievements available in this game game oh because of all of the different um pinball machines and everything and it felt like when i was just trying out a few of these games with this new interface like every 10 seconds i was getting a new achievement oh you hit the slingshots 15 times with the same ball or blah blah blah and I’m like, damn, that’s cool because it’s, you know, rewarding.
Jon Okay.
Jon Hmm.
Jon Jeez.
Mo Jeez. Jeez.
Mo peace
George It’s hitting that endorphin thing in your brain. But what I really like about what Zakaria is doing over some of the other virtual pinball software companies out there, if you buy table on its own and it’s like four bucks, okay, that’s great.
Jon Okay.
George You bought four bucks. And then later on, you see a package that you want to buy.
Mo Oh, that has that table in it.
George that has that table in it. With everybody else, you feel like, oh crap, I’m paying for the same thing twice if I buy the package, but I really want the package because it has these other three tables and it’s cheaper than if I bought those three tables separately.
Jon Mm-hmm. Sure.
George Well, Zakaria has an answer for that. They discount that package just for you in steam. So they take off how much that pinball machine costs as part of that package.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo Oh,
George And they take that off the price and you only pay for the other three machines at the discounted package price instead of their full price.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo that’s nice. That’s cool.
George So they’re really, uh, customer service friendly and that’s really why I wanted to talk about it because that is such a a good way of doing business in this modern day of DLC paranoia where everybody wants to buy everything but you feel like you’re getting ripped off every time you do at least with this company you don’t have to worry about that so anyway I’ll be playing that on my at game legends micro for quite a while Mo where are you going to be playing your games
Mo That’s cool.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Jon Yeah. ah Yeah, you will.
Mo Yes. Oh, well, this is a board game.
George Ah, so a table.
Mo It’s called, yep, it’s table at a table.
Jon Okay. In the bathroom. Perfect.
Mo um It’s called The Chameleon. And it’s this it’s there is very simple rules. um So you have a, you you play with three more people and you deal up cards and one of the cards, somebody is the chameleon, right?
Mo And then there’s a topic card. So it’d be like movies. And on that card, there’s like in a grid, there’s 16 different movies.
Jon OK.
Mo And you roll dice that tells you so you roll dice and on if you’re not the chameleon, your card tells you that row that dice roll means that you’re looking at B2 on that card. So say that’s like Toy Story example.
Jon All right. OK.
Mo So that once you kind of do all that, then you play the game.
Jon OK.
Mo So each person has to say one word. Related to that movie, that topic. So if you say Toy Story, you can say Woody or, and you know, Pixar or whatever.
Jon okay
George Woody. Right.
Mo One person is the chameleon. They have no idea what movie you’re talking about. So they’re trying to.
Jon Oh, so they have they have to pull from context from the other people?
Mo Right. And come up like, oh, I think they’re talking about Toy Story, so I’ll say something I think is right. So once everyone says a word, then you vote on who’s chameleon.
Jon Okay. It’s like you might say, Woody, Buzz, and I go, college party.
Mo You um.
Mo Exactly.
Mo That’s
Jon ah Those are two things I see at a college party. Yeah.
Mo what was like.
George So how does it make it so that you don’t know what the movie is that everybody else is talking if you’re the chameleon?
Mo okay
Mo um When you deal the cards, if you’re not the chameleon, your card has basically a huge grid on it that when you roll dice, it’ll say you you have to look and say D3.
George So the chameleon’s card doesn’t have that…
Jon Oh, so you don’t get the information.
Mo so A chameleon card doesn’t have that information on it. so you don’t know So all you know is it is a movie.
Jon got it.
Mo That’s all you know.
Jon Oh.
Mo so and So it’s it’s some now it’s one of these games. If you have more people, it’s definitely better. You can play with three, but when you get like about five is probably like like a good number to play this game with.
Jon Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mo um And if you go from here, just go up, I think goes up to like eight or nine people you can play. Super simple. You can play with all different age rangers as well. Like, you know, even little kids. I mean they, you know, they could participate as well. And the trick is, though, that if you know what it is, you want to give a word that’s related, but doesn’t give away it.
Jon not too related.
Mo Yeah, that somebody couldn’t figure out what it is from context, and that’s kind of like the tricky part of this game.
Jon but
Jon I have seen this game on shelves. I remember it’s hard to read the box because it’s like, almost like it’s like it, it’s, it’s meant to be hard to read.
Mo Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is. It blends. Mm-hmm.
Jon It blends in, right? Yeah. That’s the job you’re trying to blend in is the chameleon. I get that. So you’ve obviously played this already. Can you give me a, for example, of for instance of like how a round went and what someone tried to guess and tried to fit in?
Mo Well, the um like one would be like like the movie when I talked about. That’s why I brought it up. And the movie was Toy Story.
Jon Okay. Okay.
Mo You know, so when it came to me, I’m trying to think of like, and this was tough cause i was like, so I did Pixar was my word. Because I figured there’s a thousand Pixar movies.
Jon Okay. So you said Pixar. Okay.
Jon Right.
Mo But it is related to Toy Story because things you don’t want people voting for you you as being the chameleon either.
Jon Sure.
Mo You know,
Jon Right.
Mo um ah Somebody else said, oh, one person said, ah Rathenberger?
Jon And what did other players say? What did they what did they say?
Mo Is that the guy who does the voice on every single one of them as well?
Jon Okay. Ratzenberger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right, he’s on all of them.
George He…
Jon Oh, that’s a good point.
Mo He’s in all of them.
Jon Yeah, yeah.
Mo And then I forgot what the other person, but anyway, when it came to the person who was a chameleon, all they knew, they figured out it Pixar movie.
Jon Okay.
Mo And so they’re trying to figure out which one it was. And they wound up saying something like, I think they just took a stab in the dark and they said something related like, not Toy Story, Ratatouille or something like they did.
Mo Like always they always say they were just completely wrong.
Jon Okay.
Mo and so but su so
Jon And so they outed themselves. So now you know.
Mo As soon as they said it, it was like, oh, we know who it is. Like they completely out of themselves.
Jon I see.
Mo And once they found out what it was, they’re like, oh, so that’s the trick though. Again, you want to pick something that you know what it is, but not so give away so much context information.
Jon I get it.
George So I’m curious when you’re playing this game, how, cause you’re talking about dealing out cards and I’m imagining a deck of cards. How do you make sure that somebody actually gets a chameleon card instead of just accidentally dealing out all cards that have things on them?
Mo Oh. Yeah, I mean, see, like, there’s five people. You put four regular cards and you put the chameleon card and you shuffle.
George Oh, okay.
Jon Okay.
George So you,
Jon So like a full deck. You got it.
Mo Yeah.
Jon I got it. Yep. Yep. Yep.
George and And do all the cards, like, does each card have a theme, or is each card a potpourri, but then the roll determines the theme?
Mo Oh, no, they all your cards… No, all your card tells you is it tells you where to look on the grid when you pick the topic. That’s all your card. It says like A4 or D3.
Mo That’s all it says on it. It’s like it’s just like whole it’s a grid of those combinations because you wind up rolling two dice, a six and eight.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo So your card has 48 possible abilities.
George Uh-huh.
Mo And so you say eight, six.
Jon Okay.
Mo It’s like, oh, that’s A4. So you look on the the movie card. A4 is Titanic or whatever it is.
George I am still completely lost in this.
Jon Okay. so
George Like, is there a card in the middle of the table that’s the grid card?
Mo Yes, there’s the card in middle that is the topic card, which has movies on it so that everyone can see that.
Jon Oh, there’s the top. Okay. Okay.
Mo So even the chameleon knows it’s a movie on that card.
George But don’t doesn’t everybody but the chameleon then have to get the same thing to look at?
Jon Oh.
Mo Yeah, all the cards are the same except for the chameleon card. Yeah, they are.
Jon I’m going play this.
George So all the all the everybody else’s cards tell them to look at a five
Jon I’m confused too.
Mo Right. Everyone else’s card tells me exactly the same thing. Yeah, everyone else’s card is exactly the same.
George Huh. Okay.
Mo So.
George I mean, it’s, I obviously it works. It’s just hard to picture it in my head.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Yeah, yes it’s yeah, trust me. It’s like once you you it literally takes two minutes to learn how to play this. You know, it’s one of those games.
Jon ah I think you better bring it to SFG emo.
Mo I will actually I definitely will, because this is a lot of fun to play.
Jon ah
George That would be fun.
Mo And and it’s also it’s like when these ones you can play, like if you’re not sure how much time you have.
Jon That sounds like it.
Mo Because you quick hits, you can play five times in a row.
Jon They’re quick hits, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Mo You can play once.
Jon I can see that.
Mo it’s It’s a great game. I said I really enjoyed it.
Jon Okay. Right. Is it very expensive? It sounds like it’s just a deck of cards and some rules, ahh
Mo No, it’s like 20 something bucks.
Jon 20 bucks? Yeah, that’s great.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Okay. Okay. I assume link in the show notes?
Mo Of course.
Jon As we wind out the back end of the show here, we always like to take a few minutes to talk about the things we’re looking at now or looking forward to between now and the next time we get to talk. So why don’t we start with you, Moe? What do you have on the horizon?
Mo Well, I mean, obviously holidays coming up Christmas, you know, always fun because, you know, we have grandkids.
Jon Hmm.
Mo So it’s kind of bringing that fun aspect back into it again. you know, the whole little kids excitements, all that stuff. um Too many kids and grandkids far as present giving. But, you know, what are you going to do? Besides that, there’s a movie coming out on Christmas Day called Anaconda.
George No.
Mo Yes.
George No, don’t look forward to that.
Mo It’s Paul Rudd. It just looks stupid and funny.
George It’s stupid. I’ll grant you that.
Mo I’m going for it. I’m looking forward to it.
Jon No, I think it’s got a clever premise.
Mo I think it’s going to funnier movie than we think.
Jon Yeah, I think it’s very meta.
Mo Yeah. you know. And also considering the original Anaconda movie, i don’ know if you ever saw that one with Jon Voight.
George Oh, yeah.
Mo That was awful.
Jon Oh, yeah.
Mo That was terrible.
Jon Yeah. Oh, yeah.
George That’s the whole point. Yeah.
Mo So it’s got to better than that one.
Jon that’s the That’s the deal. Right. They’re remaking it. I think it’s funny.
Mo Right. It’s got to better than that one.
Jon Yeah.
George Not just Jon Voight, though. Jennifer Lopez. You’re burying the lead.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo That’s true.
George And Ice Cube.
Mo Jennifer Lopez.
Jon Yeah.
Mo That’s the only redeeming factor of that movie.
Jon Yeah.
Mo um But really what i’m most looking forward to is the second season of Fallout on Amazon.
Jon Okay.
George Yes.
Mo It’s coming out 12-17.
Jon Okay.
Mo First season, i say I’m a huge fan of the game. It was true to the game, yet still original and funny. So, and apparently they’re going to do like tie-in to the games, which is going to really fun. Like, so it’s like all in the same world. So definitely looking forward to the second season of that. And again, that comes out December 17th.
Mo So that’s what I got. So how about you, John?
Jon Yeah, I definitely have some stuff I’m looking forward to coming up. So the first is just hitting December 5th. It’s an animated movie called Endless Cookie.
Mo Don’t know that one.
Jon I have no idea what that’s about.
George Hmm. That sounds fun.
Jon The literal translation George would like the Endless Cookie, please.
Mo ah
George Yes.
Jon Intriguing premise. So this is a documentary.
Mo What’s.
Jon It’s about these two half brothers from Canada. One is indigenous and one is white. They take phone conversations. They’ve had like in-depth, heartfelt phone conversations that for whatever reason were recorded and animate them to show the conversations and the history of their relationship.
George Yeah.
Mo Interesting.
Jon Is that good? I don’t know, but it’s kept.
Mo and don’t know.
Jon I’ve never heard anything quite like it.
Mo Yeah, it I’m interested.
Jon and And you can do whatever you want with animation, right? And so kind of bring these guys’ vocal recordings to life. It just sounds really interesting. So Endless Cookie. It’s actually coming to theaters.
Mo It’s theaters.
George We need to get that production company to do that for our podcast.
Mo Okay, I was
Jon Right, just animate everything we talk about.
Mo about to ask.
Jon Sorry.
George um
Jon The next thing I’m looking forward to is you guys remember ExoDOS, right? You download the big terabyte of all these old DOS games.
Mo Yes.
George ye
Jon There’s a new one called ExoWin.
George Yes. Yes.
Mo Oh, I didn’t hear about this.
Jon that has like 94, 95, and 96 era Windows 95 games.
George Mm hmm.
Jon So Exowin, it’s only about a half, like a quarter of a terabyte, like 260 or 270 gigs so far.
George Yep.
Jon I’ve downloaded the torrent. I’m looking forward to exploring it because… So much time I’d look at that XO DOS and go, is this in there? Oh, that came out a few years later. Well, this has the few years later.
Jon he has more of these abandoned old windows, 95 and 98 games that you just can’t find or play anymore.
Mo Oh, right.
Jon They’ve compiled and they’re set up to play. So looks really cool.
George The he has a video about how he created this and they the reason why they didn’t do this sooner is because of the problematic system of Windows with all the files.
Jon Does he?
George It would have been like 20 billion terabytes had they included the games until somebody on their Discord server figured out how to write the game sharing stuff differently.
Jon Sure.
Mo right
Jon ah
George And that’s what made it possible.
Jon oh that’s cool yeah well it’s out now you can go and get it what’s that i i they say i didn’t see the number i’ll try to get you a link but it’s it’s out now and it’s free to download and you can go and get it uh it’s probably hundreds of games i would expect i think exo dos had thousands of games so
George Oh, so cool.
Mo How many games are on it? Do you know? How many games are actually on it? i’m afraid to ask.
Mo OK.
George Yeah.
Mo Oh, imagine. Yeah.
Jon yeah The thing I’m most looking forward to is something that I’ve slipped on the calendar repeatedly. It was initially coming out, I think, in March. Keeps moving, keeps moving. But now, finally, December 12th, Terminator 2D, no fate.
Jon This is a side-scrolling, pixelated, platforming adventure game based on the world of Terminator.
George Oh.
Mo Oh.
Jon You get to play as the T-1000, the T-800.
Mo oh
Jon probably get to play as… I know you get to play as the protagonist of the film. All of them at one point or the other I’ve seen in there. It’s just an action platforming side-scrolling game and just steeped in the Terminator mythology.
Jon It just looks so cool. You know, pixel art can be like invoke something that doesn’t have to be full resolution. Like, oh, I know just what he’s doing with he’s turning his arm into those swords. I know what he’s doing. You know, it’s the trailer looks great.
Jon I’ve been looking forward to it. So comes out December 12th. Finally, I think it’s cross platform. It’s on not just Steam. It’s on I think it’s on like Switch and Xbox and stuff like that, too. So really finally looking forward to getting to play that.
Mo Cool.
Jon How about you, George? What do you got coming up?
George Well, uh, Fallout season two absolutely is on the list in this household.
Jon Mm hmm. Right.
George We all three watched it.
Jon Mm hmm.
George Um, the first time around, it’s a brilliant series, very well acted.
Mo Yeah.
George Walter Goggins is one of the leads in this and he is crazy good.
Mo Oh, amazing.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yep.
George I’ve loved him and everything I’ve seen him in since minor league or major league back to the minors. That’s how long ago I started watching that guy.
Mo Oh, geez.
George Um, Then I’m looking forward to the next device in my pinball journey, which will allow me to play virtual reality pinball.
George I’ll talk more about that when we come back to another regular episode because I’ll have the device in by then. And that’s looking to shape up very strangely, but also very fun.
George But the thing I’m looking forward to the most is also a sequel, not just Fallout, but ah the third Knives Out mystery film is hitting Netflix on December 12th.
Mo Oh, yeah.
Jon Oh, yep.
George Now, it’s already been out in the theaters. I just haven’t gotten around to see it there. And really, these Knives Out films, I don’t need to see them in the theater.
Jon Yep.
George They’re perfectly good on streaming services.
Mo Yeah.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George But this one is called Wake Up Dead Man.
Jon Yep.
George And boy, I tell you, anybody transitions from one series to another better than Daniel Craig.
Jon ah
George I’d like to see that person because holy hell, did he knock it out of the park as James Bond and he’s doing the same thing now in the Knives Out movies.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon Mm.
George Oh my goodness.
Jon Yep.
George And they’re always ensemble high… like, like super good acting cast. Like it’s, it’s just these tremendous acting talents, a list talents from different generations.
Jon Yeah.
George And rain Wilson, I believe is the guy who’s directing these.
Mo Oh, OK.
Jon Mm-hmm.
George Yeah, he he just does such a great job of putting these casts together with these stories and getting the most out of them. They’re brilliant. If you haven’t watched the first two, the first one was Knives Out, second one was Glass Onion, a Knives Out mystery.
Mo Which is really good, too.
George You need to go watch those before you see this third one.
Mo Yeah.
Mo Nice.
Jon George, have you seen Forks Out? The Muppet parody of Knives Out?
George No! Is there really?
Jon Okay. All right. There is. There is. I’m going to give Mo a link. You throw it in the show notes and you can click on it whenever you’re ready.
Mo Okay.
George oh my goodness.
Jon It is great. I think… What’s his character’s name in the movie? Do you remember? It’s… ah Anyway…
George Blanc is his last name.
Jon Yeah, something Blanc.
Mo Yeah, Blanc.
Jon Yes. So whatever he is. So they call him Beignet Blanc in the, like he’s a donut, right?
George Beignet Blanc.
Mo Oh.
Jon Beignet Blanc. And they’re trying to solve the mystery of how Cookie Monster’s triple fruit pie got eaten. And he’s trying to solve the mystery.
George Oh.
Jon but yeah Because the Muppets.
George So it’s Sesame Street Muppets. Oh, that’s funny.
Jon Yes, yes. Like a Muppets and Netflix have some kind of arrangement now. Right. So they were able to use the Muppets to promote this movie. So I knew you’d want to know about it.
George Oh, that’s funny.
Jon So we’ll give you a link.
George Yeah, 100%.
Jon Anyway. All right. Before we move on, I always like to stop here at the end of the show and talk about a new patron that has joined us. But one of the benefits of being a patron and supporting the show is getting to ask us a question that we can answer right here live on the show.
Jon So, Mo, I see you have a question for this episode.
Mo Yeah. Yep, this is a question from Lou, and it was very topical for the holiday season. He asked, is there anything from experiencing Christmas growing up, Gen X, that you feel is missing today?
Jon that’s Yeah.
Mo yeah All right, then, John, why don’t you tell us what it is?
Jon ah
Jon Yeah. You know, i mean, it’s it’s it’s a little i was really thinking about this and there’s a lot of little things that are missing, you know, but I think. The thing I miss most of all, and this broadly kind of covers a lot of topics is.
Jon The innocence of the holidays, you know, people are so jaded these days by whatever and the just the
Mo Yeah.
Jon maybe it’s just because we were kids and it felt that way, but I felt when I was a kid, my parents were more into the whimsy and the spirit of the season.
Mo yeah
Jon And as the years have ground on, you know, and maybe we pass that on to our kids too, but it’s just like, yeah, it’s the holidays. We’ve got to get gifts for people. going to make sure we don’t make sure all these people are happy. It becomes work and it,
Jon The work used to be fine when it was coupled with kind of of a spirit of innocence and fun. And now it just feels much more mechanical and rote. And of course, the holidays always full of stress. So it’s a little vague and it’s hard to put my finger on, but it has to do with how people just take it more seriously than celebratory.
Jon I really miss that in general. I don’t know if you guys feel the same way about it, but I really feel it like that.
Mo about
Jon So that’s me.
Mo you, George?
Jon Who’s next? Yeah.
George Yeah. Um, so I saw the question ahead of time and wanted to think a lot about it because even though it’s a simple question, it’s a really good, solid question.
Mo There’s lot to it. Yeah.
Jon It’s deep. Yeah, right.
George Um, and you know, I was going to tell a joke kind of thing like, well, yeah, I missed the fact that people used to buy me gifts. Now I have to buy the fucking gifts, but i have to buy them for myself.
Jon I missed that too.
Mo ah This is that.
Jon Yeah.
George Um, I think honestly, my answer is the mystery of Christmas. So
Mo Hmm.
George I don’t think, and I’m not talking about because when I was a kid, i didn’t know that there wasn’t a Santa Claus. I mean, in general, I think the world
Mo Hmm.
George doesn’t love the mystery of Christmas anymore. Nowadays, I see people with young children. and Like our children are all grown, the three of us that are on this podcast.
Mo Yes. Yeah.
George And that’s, you know, John was talking about the, it’s a little bit more of a labor thing now. I think when our kids were younger, we felt differently. because they were innocent, and to John’s point, we could we could feed off of that a little bit.
Jon we can feel that through them. Right.
George Yeah, but I think society in general doesn’t enjoy the mystery of Christmas anymore, because if you look at…
Jon Yeah. Yeah.
George how much we are inundated with information these days through our screens, our phones, our TVs, our video game system, whatever.
Jon Yeah, right.
George And kids are even more so on these systems at an early and early and earlier age. I don’t think there’s any mystery for them anymore. And I think that’s where John’s innocence has been lost because i I watch parents now talking about, well, I just asked my five-year-old what they want for Christmas, and I just told them I would get it from Amazon.
Mo Oh, I know. Get it.
George What the fuck is wrong with you?
Jon Where’s the fun?
Mo Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
Mo Mystery.
Jon Yep.
George Right? like You’re not trying to work at giving them the childhood that we all had as Gen Xers, and I think that’s what’s lost. So Gen X mystery, was I think we might have had one of the last generations where you know things weren’t just super obvious because it was staring us in a 6-inch screen like it is now.
Mo Mm-hmm.
Jon Yeah. I think you and I, George, are knocking on the opposite sides of the same door. Yeah. We’re kind of in tune there.
Mo Yeah.
George Yeah.
Jon Yeah. about you, Mo?
Mo Yeah, mine’s along the same lines. um What made me think of this was that my wife went to go get her hair done and she was talking to the hairdresser and she made a reference to Heat Miser.
Mo And the person said, who’s that?
George Yeah.
Jon Yeah.
Jon Oh, come on.
George Yeah.
Mo um And so it made me think that when I was, you know, when I was a kid, but part of what made Christmas special Christmas. Also, the fact that my dad bent rules around Christmas, like I could stay up late to watch the Christmas specials.
Jon Oh, yeah, yeah.
George Sure.
Mo You like if I knew Monday night Charlie Brown Christmas was coming on because my dad was very big, no TV during school nights. That was an exception. You could watch Charlie Brown Christmas, right?
Jon That makes it more special.
George yeah
Jon Now it’s streaming. You watch it during the day.
Mo You can watch it wherever you want.
Jon It’s not even cold out half the time. Yeah.
Mo You know, and it’s almost like you have to even you have to think about where I remember going through the TV guide, you know, all the Christmas specials, right? you trying to mark them all down so you knew where they were, you know.
Jon Mm-hmm.
Mo um And I guess that’s the thing I feel is like lacking is that there’s no expectation as much as there was, I guess. And there’s expectations leading up to it, things that built up to it, you know.
Jon The anticipation, the buildup, the, yeah.
George Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mo um You know, just looking at people from the Christmas lights and seeing how many more Christmas lights there were than yesterday or, you know, the Santa Claus on the street, you know, whatever it is. It’s like there was things that sort of built up that culminated on Christmas that, see, I don’t feel that anymore.
Mo It seems like Christmas is like a deadline almost that’s coming up, you know.
Jon Yeah.
George e
Jon Yeah. I feel you. Yep. It’s coming up fast too.
Mo And it’s coming really fast.
Jon Yeah.
Mo And, you know, it’s still fun.
Jon ah
Mo It’s still family. We get together and, you know, but it’s, but again, like as I look at my, you know, grandkids and, you know, we’re putting, the we put the tree up and, you know, we threw, you know, year without Santa Claus on, you know, to watch it.
Mo But we had to think about doing that one. You know, we’d remember doing that. And also I’m like, wow, we still have to do Charlie Brown. We still have to Twas Night Before Christmas. we yeah All these little shows and things that, you know, that we have to make sure we get to.
Jon The checklist.
Mo Whereas before it was just like, you know, it was appointment TV and you had to make sure you saw because if you missed it, you missed it that year, you know.
Jon Until next year.
Mo And so that’s what I kind of feel is missing.
Jon yep
Mo So that was mine.
Jon Yeah.
Mo But hey, Luke, that was a and ah ah great question.
Jon I feel you.
Mo um You know, they said a simple question.
Jon Yeah. and And deep answers. It’s not easy.
Mo Yeah, it’s not easy. Any of our folks out there, if you want to throw your opinion ring, go to our Discord channel, genxgrownup.com slash Discord. like to hear about it.
Jon Yep.
Mo But again, if you want to get your question on the show, it’s super easy. Just go to genxgrownup.com slash Patreon.
Jon That’s right.
Mo As little as a dollar a month, throw us your question, and there’s a really good chance we’ll ask it right here on the show.
Jon That’s right. And you know who already did that?
Mo Ooh.
Jon the new patron I want to, Ooh, well done, Mo.
Mo ah
George he
Jon dude but ready to that Brian d just recently signed up just a couple of weeks ago.
Mo Oh, great.
Jon Brian, you did just what Mo said. You went over to patreon.com slash Gen X grownup, open up your heart and your wallet and said, I want to pledge financial support for this show, these guys, this YouTube content, this but website, and make sure we can keep doing what we’re doing because everything costs the platform we’re recording this podcast on right now costs money.
Jon you know, the cameras we use, the microphones we use, they all cost money and our time and our effort. Like these two guys have full-time jobs and they take time out of that and with their family to record that.
Jon Your financial support means we can keep doing it and keep supporting it. So Brian, thank you for joining the roster of amazing supporters that we have. We’re so happy to have you along for the ride. That then is going to wrap it up for this episode 202 of the Gen X Grown Up Podcast. However, if you were worried, don’t be worried because we have another episode coming your way in two weeks. But next week, well, that’s our backtrack. We’ll pick a single nostalgic topic to kind of dig in on. Moe, would you let the fourth listener know what they can look forward to next week?
Mo Oh, absolutely. i mean, again, very topical subject with the holiday season coming up. We’re going to talk about. I’m sorry, we’re going to talk about how you get your holiday wish list together back then compared to today.
Mo you know, a lot of things have changed and it’s something as simple as letting people know what you want for Christmas is very different today than when we grew up.
Jon Mm-hmm. Yeah. And in preparing, we learned we all had different experiences even back then.
Jon So this should be interesting.
Mo Mm hmm.
Jon Yeah. Yeah. You don’t want to miss that one. Hope you will join us for that. Until then, I’m John. George, thank you so much for being here, man.
George Yes, sir.
Jon Mo, you know I appreciate you.
Mo Always fun.
Jon Fourth listener, it’s you we all appreciate most of all, though. We can’t wait to talk to you again next time. Bye-bye.
George See you guys.
Mo Take care, everybody.
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